Low Cost, Low Risk Zog Seminars in 2014 ;)

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Originally Posted by Eric Schuettenberg

I would love to have you back out to the St. Louis area. I'll talk to Jake and the guys over at the St. Louis hotbox to see what we can do.

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Hell yeah, had a blast with you guys last time!

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Originally Posted by Scott Yockel

I like it but i dont think i could ask for a grand.

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If there is a grand left over after the expenses have been taken care of then you deserve it brother, it means there's a demand for you. You're not asking for a minimum of $1000 but if it's there it should be yours. Again, the host is at a great profit if all expenses are covered :)

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Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo

If there is a grand left over after the expenses have been taken care of then you deserve it brother, it means there's a demand for you. You're not asking for a minimum of $1000 but if it's there it should be yours. Again, the host is at a great profit if all expenses are covered :)

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I don't mean any disrespect or anything, but isn't that a lot of money to ask for to teach a seminar for a few hours? Sorry I speak only for myself and my opinions do not reflect that of anyone part of my team or club. I just think that's kinda nuts that someone would have a brown belt instructor to their club, cover their expenses, and pay them upto $1000? I mean they should be compensated (&I dont mean some silly low sum), but isn't that a tonne of money for the club to make? Unless this is a much larger club, I mean a smaller club is gonna get what, 20 guys out? At say $50 a pop (a reasonable sum for pretty higher level instruction) that's only $1000. 30 people is $1500. So are you saying that the host should be willing to possibly take a loss to have the seminar in that case but definitely not make any money whatsoever? In order to fly someone from out of town in or even just pay for their gas, in addition to board and meals is a pretty decent expense in itself. Aren't most of the people that 10th planet instructors do seminars for clubs part of the association? Shouldn't the clubs and seminar instructors be working to benefit both parties?

I dunno I'm just curious about this concept because up here, in Ontario, experienced black belts within the province (I'm not talking about world champions people fly in, but solid, proven professors and people with 2nd and third degrees on their faixa preta) don't charge nearly anything close to that kind of money, usually don't request that expenses are paid, and most of the time they do their seminars for charity or as fundraisers for groups of high level students trying to fly out to Cali for the worlds.

I might just be used to a different kind of culture behind teaching etc, but last time I checked our dollar also was worth less too! :P Once again, not trying to be disrespectful, just trying to wrap my mind around this seminar pay structure concept being suggested.

It's a risk free way for the host to bring out a high level instructor. You can't take a loss unless you can't cover the instructors travel. It's great for hot boxes or smaller schools that may not have enough students to afford to pay someone travel+seminar fee. Also, it allows us to spread the system easier, due to more instructors getting out to more places. It makes us a much larger, stronger, and more connected team by taking the fear of taking a loss out of the equation. :)

Unifying everyone and strengthening the team is our goal

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Originally Posted by sean applegate

Unifying everyone and strengthening the team is our goal

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This ^^ Paying an instructor 1K is very reasonable, expensive in terms of money yes, would I take a loss to bring in a 10P Jedi yes I would and I have. It's not about making money but taking care of each other. If you look at the time it takes an instructor away from their school, they have to make sure someone is there to teach while they are gone, and traveling a grand may barely cover their overall costs in the big picture. Hit up Marcelo and see if he will do a seminar for 1k lol

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Originally Posted by Josh Bodmon

I don't mean any disrespect or anything, but isn't that a lot of money to ask for to teach a seminar for a few hours? Sorry I speak only for myself and my opinions do not reflect that of anyone part of my team or club. I just think that's kinda nuts that someone would have a brown belt instructor to their club, cover their expenses, and pay them upto $1000? I mean they should be compensated (&I dont mean some silly low sum), but isn't that a tonne of money for the club to make? Unless this is a much larger club, I mean a smaller club is gonna get what, 20 guys out? At say $50 a pop (a reasonable sum for pretty higher level instruction) that's only $1000. 30 people is $1500. So are you saying that the host should be willing to possibly take a loss to have the seminar in that case but definitely not make any money whatsoever? In order to fly someone from out of town in or even just pay for their gas, in addition to board and meals is a pretty decent expense in itself. Aren't most of the people that 10th planet instructors do seminars for clubs part of the association? Shouldn't the clubs and seminar instructors be working to benefit both parties?

I dunno I'm just curious about this concept because up here, in Ontario, experienced black belts within the province (I'm not talking about world champions people fly in, but solid, proven professors and people with 2nd and third degrees on their faixa preta) don't charge nearly anything close to that kind of money, usually don't request that expenses are paid, and most of the time they do their seminars for charity or as fundraisers for groups of high level students trying to fly out to Cali for the worlds.

I might just be used to a different kind of culture behind teaching etc, but last time I checked our dollar also was worth less too! :P Once again, not trying to be disrespectful, just trying to wrap my mind around this seminar pay structure concept being suggested.

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Not at all, the host is not just paying for a few hours during a seminar, you are usually pay for 3 days of their time. When I leave town on the weekends it costs me money, I also have to find coverage for my classes.

If I were to travel to any of my instructors schools I'd pay at least that (I usually drop $1500-2000+) on my trips to LA to train. It would be double that to go to Russia. I very rarely make money when I host seminars I usually loose money. But its always less that what I woulda have paid to go train with my instructors.

Most of us have done free seminars, I have done several. This is my career and a seminar with me you are getting a professional seminar with expert material in a well fomated and developed presentation based on 29+ years experience. It worth double that amount. I have been to several seminars taught by blackbelts, there presentation and ability to articulate information was horrible. That doesn't happen at mine. They are also not just getting the knowledge of a "brown belt", they are also getting the knowdledge of an international Judo (5th degree Black Belt) and Sambo medalist.

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Originally Posted by Josh Bodmon

I don't mean any disrespect or anything, but isn't that a lot of money to ask for to teach a seminar for a few hours? Sorry I speak only for myself and my opinions do not reflect that of anyone part of my team or club. I just think that's kinda nuts that someone would have a brown belt instructor to their club, cover their expenses, and pay them upto $1000? I mean they should be compensated (&I dont mean some silly low sum), but isn't that a tonne of money for the club to make? Unless this is a much larger club, I mean a smaller club is gonna get what, 20 guys out? At say $50 a pop (a reasonable sum for pretty higher level instruction) that's only $1000. 30 people is $1500. So are you saying that the host should be willing to possibly take a loss to have the seminar in that case but definitely not make any money whatsoever? In order to fly someone from out of town in or even just pay for their gas, in addition to board and meals is a pretty decent expense in itself. Aren't most of the people that 10th planet instructors do seminars for clubs part of the association? Shouldn't the clubs and seminar instructors be working to benefit both parties?

I dunno I'm just curious about this concept because up here, in Ontario, experienced black belts within the province (I'm not talking about world champions people fly in, but solid, proven professors and people with 2nd and third degrees on their faixa preta) don't charge nearly anything close to that kind of money, usually don't request that expenses are paid, and most of the time they do their seminars for charity or as fundraisers for groups of high level students trying to fly out to Cali for the worlds.

I might just be used to a different kind of culture behind teaching etc, but last time I checked our dollar also was worth less too! :P Once again, not trying to be disrespectful, just trying to wrap my mind around this seminar pay structure concept being suggested.

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First, this is hella disrespectful. Implying that a brown belt doesn't deserve a good wage just because of belt color is offensive. Not just that, but Zog isn't a brown belt. He's a damn black belt who happens to have a brown belt in 10th planet on top of his black belt. That's decades worth of work and knowledge, and you're implying he's not worth $1k?

As a school owner, you shouldn't be hosting seminars to make money. You should he hosting seminars to improve your school's game. Zog brings something unique to the table. A lot of things actually.

Also, Eddie didn't even say you have to pay $1000. He said that the first $1k goes to the seminar guest. Only raise $500? It's all his. You go over $1000, you split it 50/50. That's reasonable to me.

Guys pay out the nose for Royce seminars and he barely does a thing. He just does a celebrity show up. Charges $50 to sign autographs. And teaches stuff that white belts learn in a matter of months. And people pay out the nose. But a guy who can revolutionize your game doesn't deserve $1k?

I'm not even talking just about Zog either. I'm talking about any 10th planet brown. Brandon McCaghren and Scott Yockel improved my game like crazy while they were just PURPLE! Louis Ho gave me a great butterfly game while he was brown. Stew Landry gave me a pass that is still money years later.

It's about quality, not belt color. A laborer is worth their wage. Again, in my strong opinion, you shouldn't be hosting seminars to make money. You should be doing it to improve your student's games.

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Originally Posted by Brandon Woolsey

This ^^ Paying an instructor 1K is very reasonable, expensive in terms of money yes, would I take a loss to bring in a 10P Jedi yes I would and I have. It's not about making money but taking care of each other. If you look at the time it takes an instructor away from their school, they have to make sure someone is there to teach while they are gone, and traveling a grand may barely cover their overall costs in the big picture. Hit up Marcelo and see if he will do a seminar for 1k lol

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Guys, the cost of living and average income varies all over. $1000 is about right in New York or California areas for (no risk low cost seminars) But other places it doesn't matter who you are, you will not generate that. Royce Gracie does a seminar in our town about once every year or so. He has never done the numbers you guys are talking. And thats royce... the name people pay to see that have never even trained. I bet when he goes to New York or Cali he gets double the numbers mentioned. What does a small school with a tuition of $70 /month and 10 students do about a seminar? He never gets one, unless he takes a HUGE loss. Now, that part of business, advertising an training and anything to better your business is an investment. Small schools must "invest" in seminars. Which is the opposite of "low risk"...

With that said. That's business. Invest and grow. What it's all about. Risk/reward. These high level guys deserve to be paid well, and schools deserve to be profitable.