yeah just read that... I love Jon Jones, despite the fact that Shogun is dangerous, Jones is on a roll, and he is going to show some crazy skills... I hope Jones wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by RobSchwartz
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yeah just read that... I love Jon Jones, despite the fact that Shogun is dangerous, Jones is on a roll, and he is going to show some crazy skills... I hope Jones wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by RobSchwartz
I have watched almost every televised or dvd relased mma match for the last 20 years and I have not seen anything like Jones before. Also Jones at 22 is more impressive than Shogun when he was 23 and was built up as the best LHW in the world. My gut says Jones is gonna win.
he looked like he was about a foot taller to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel Patrick
Jones is 23.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyK5
Jones will beat shogun. Although Anderson Silva is one of the greatest fighters and had a spectacular finish last night I believe Jones would beat Silva. WHAT A GOOD NIGHT!
It will be a good fight. I'll be pulling for Rua but Jones looked like the new champ in the Bader fight.
I think people are riding the high of Jone's victory & forgetting about the 1 thing that makes Shogun such a special fighter. Shogun finds ways to win fights. I believe that 205lbs Overeem would beat Jones personally. The thing that Shogun does great is that he always finds a way to win. No one thought Shogun had a chance in his fight with Overeem. Overeem had great takedown defense & Shogun still managed to get the fight to the ground & he did it again in the rematch. No one thought Shogun had a chance against Machida in their first fight & after the fight, many people thought that he won & he then won the rematch by dramatic fashion.
Shogun defeated Little Nog even after he got blasted with one of the hardest shots that I've ever seen. Shogun defeated Chuck Liddell & many people thought he would lose that fight after his close fight with Coleman. Shogun defeated a dangerous Rampage in Pride. Shogun has lost of skills but the 1 thing that makes him different then the rest is that he always finds ways to win fights. Very Similar to how Fedor always found ways to win fights. (Until Werdum :D)
Here's the facts!!!! Shogun is coming back from another knee surgery. He will NOT be 100%. The people on this thread thinking Shogun will win are being naive! (Of course he's got a puncher's chance.) I'm seeing a lot of talk about Shogun's greatness, which is when he's at 100% that's not the person were going to see against Jones. Were going to see the Shogun from the last knee surgery...barely surviving a totally gassed old Mark Colman. The guy who was owned by Forrest G. Plus you got to think about ring rust which is real, almost a year or more from his last fight. Elite athletes do NOT come back from knee surgery and continue to dominate at the highest level. It will take about 3 to 4 fights with NO Complications before he's 100% if he ever gets back!! Jones will destroy Shogun!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin Sparks
I think as the talent pool at the top of each division deepens with the growth of MMA, you will see less Anderson Silvas. There wont be one guy way out there ahead of the field. Instead you will see a group of elite fighters whos skill sets interact in a certain way. It will be like rock paper scissors. Fighter A will dominate fighter B who will dominate fighter C, but fighter C will beat fighter A. It wont be whos miles ahead, but how does my tool box work against your tool box. I think you already see that in some weight brackets.
Shogun is going off right now at +155. I never bet, even though I consistently pick the odds that have the best value, but I already put money down, and if it goes up even more, I'm putting more. Whether or not you think Jones will win, he is not over 3:2.
I think Jones is amazing. He should hold the title in a few years. But Shogun has been honing his game for years. He has adjusted to the octagon, and he no longer is the charging brawler he once was. He uses great game plans (as in both Machida fights, where he clearly knew what to expect and trained accordingly), and has experience in more situations, including titles, long matches, and different opponents. There are reports of him breaking the steel frames for heavy bags with his kicks at Chute Boxe. Shogun is legit on the ground - though he is admittedly no grappling champion - and his Muay Thai is on a way higher level than anyone gives him credit. Search online for the video of him sparring with Junior Dos Santos. Rua is one of those guys that see strikes and openings way ahead of time, like Anderson Silva. I say Shogun by 3rd Round TKO. Jones will be the champion someday whether I am right or wrong.