who keeps track of all of their posts? weirdo! and I think sean was on your side saying "right, (thats why you shouldnt say anything)" kind of "right"
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who keeps track of all of their posts? weirdo! and I think sean was on your side saying "right, (thats why you shouldnt say anything)" kind of "right"
Getting heated
I mean Cormier is ONLY an Olympian. And Davis is ONLY an all American from one of the best wrestling programs in the country. I guess Mir could have used the 3rd option but if Barnett couldn't do anything I doubt Mir would. Did Vinny and Davis ever clinch to where the 3rd option was an option?
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Originally Posted by Justin Patten
Zero sub wins explains the tone of the question.
It however does not mean he doesn't know what he is talking about.
What is the 3rd option?
Pulling guardQuote:
Originally Posted by Kurzy
Ahh. Thanks. Yeah Vinny's fight was a tough one. I'm not going to repeat everything that everyone has said, but I will state that if he could have kept it on the ground, I know he would have, and I would also like to say that he fought stand-up like a man.
(Beast)
Yes, he could have easily replaced the word "right" with "bullshit".Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Perez
You wanna go!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Perez
Justin, stick around. Post more frequently. You'll notice less cyber wars. This isn't a regular random forum, as Im sure you've noticed. Been here for years so I gets no jolly's from startin shit. I will take it on myself to steer a thread toward my self richeously prefered direction. Its that damn internet..
Sean, you wanna go!?
Dance fightQuote:
Originally Posted by bobby rivers
Been here for years too brother. Just don't feel the need to run my mouth at every little thing that doesn't agree with my opinions. More of an observer. And after a lot of observation, it's exhausting people like you that keep me from posting. Just not worth it. Got shit to do. As far as my original post, it was right after the fight which I was rather drunk for, which is what led to the post. I stand by my opinion though.
Don't feel the need.. yet posts drunken opinion with wet vagina?Quote:
Originally Posted by Justin Patten
Im exhausting? You should try jiu jitsu.
If the only time you wanna comment, is to criticize the best in the game. You should expect this response often. Nothing wrong with observing.
Correction sir, Davis is a National Champion and 4x All American :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Brent Smith
Touche salesman I too have an uncle :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyle Spalla
My advice is just let this go. I never agreed with you, anyone can have bad days. Shit Randy Couture and Chuck Liddell had bad days, no one called into question Chuck's striking when Quinton knocked him the fuck out and took his belt, or Randy's wrestling when he couldn't smother Brock or take him down. Sometimes fighters get taken out of their games, it isn't because they don't have confidence in their skill set. Sometimes fighters just can't implement what they want or decide "Hey man, fuck this. I am going to stand and trade with this guy." Just because they don't go for the method everyone was expecting does not mean they no longer are proficient in their respective areas. But if it's a cyber argument with name calling you want, with me questioning trivial shit like your manhood, sexuality and clearly thoughtless biased statements of senior (and very experienced) members of this forum, we could go their too. I just want to point out to you, that a condescending tone (least when read) WILL piss people off. Water under the bridge, everyone starts fresh. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Justin Patten
You know what Bobby? You did read the thread, so you did know my simple stance, and you commented on other's posts, so it's not like you were late to the conversation. Your calling me out on "how many mma fights have I won by submission" came 3 days after the original post. Which leads me back to my original point of guys like you like to start internet arguments out of boredom. Otherwise, why not call me out right away? Ya had nothin fuckin better to do. That's the truth. My point is further proven with your stupid little comment about "how many posts you have" between here and the old site and Kyle's comments on you being a "senior member on the forum". Like that means a fuck to anyone, that you've been typing your awesome thoughts on a computer on the same site for years. I've dealt with your kind before and it has nothing to do with 10th Planet or Jiu Jitsu or MMA. It's about you needing to feel important and "higher up" somewhere and the outside world won't accept you except for on the mat. So you come here and you tear (seemingly new because of low post counts) people down with the help of your little Kyle, coincidentally with "high post counts". Everyone else just went about their day and contributed to the conversation, which by the way, my simple little post lead to quite a big one.
I was a part of another forum that I left because of people like you, Bobby. And I was about as senior a member as you can get. Your seniority means shit. It's a fucking place to type shit. Nothing here makes you any less or more than anyone else. Or more of an authority on what's what in the world. So I'll say whatever the fuck I want to you after you attack me days after a comment I made that I didn't further any after my original comments. It seems this was just a way for you to let everyone know that you had an MMA fight and that you have a lot of posts here. Well fuckin go you! If you're not the fuckin coolest, I don't know what is!
I'll be honest, you had me so pissed earlier. Shit, I missed my lunch break trying to think of some heavy shit to come back at you with, so you can have a good laugh over that. Dimorosa's has the best chicken salad and you made me miss it. But I'm having a bigger laugh at you. Trust me. The End.
I don't even count how many post I have, nor do I hold myself to higher echelon on this forum because I have more posts, you think we come on this site to validate or social status? . I have a mutual respect for people until they prove to me they don't deserve it, I am a 26 year old former Marine who is married and been in two foreign wars, I don't really want to bring negative energy to this site or the system so I am not going to waste my anger or time pointing out how you called me his "little" Kyle or how you said this about me/Bobby vicariously living through post counts (which is fucking ludicrous by the way). I said you should drop it because it was going to escalate and make you look bad. I called him a senior member because people on this forum have mutual respect for one another. You clearly get overly defensive and just like you don't give a shit about our post counts, well we don't give a shit that you couldn't have your salad from Dimorosa's this afternoon. If you want to leave this forum please go ahead.
Put the ego away man. You could have ended this pages ago just by letting it go but you gotta have the last word to feel like youre winning an internet arguement. I for one am going to let this thread die. You guys have at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Justin Patten
Long story short: Yes, Frank and Vinny do Jiu Jitsu.
Idk what that meansQuote:
Originally Posted by bobby rivers
I'm sorry if I have added to this in any way. I didn't mean to at all. I wish nothing but peace with all men and especially my 10th planet family. If I offended any of you please forgive me. There is no amount of spoken or typed disrespect, to my face or behind my back, that justifies any retaliatory response from me.
If we don't have each other, we don't have anyone :)
Love and peace to all my 10p peeps
This thread is now officially Sherdogariffic!
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/...9_1569495i.jpg
And for the record, Bobby has nothing to prove to anyone here. His videos speak for themselves.
One of the best pieces of advice I have received regarding dealing with 10P hating douchebags was from Bobby Rivers:
The best way to represent 10th Planet is with tight lips and even tighter technique.
I spoke my peace. I realize my attitude recently has sucked and I am taking appropriate measures to change that. I don't mean to get over zealous and stir shit up. I guess the military has made me a tad overly aggressive. If I reflected myself negatively and ignorantly at all I apologize to the people reading. I would much rather talk about technique and make people laugh than have cyber wars with people. Like I said no sense wasting the anger.
You mad?Quote:
Originally Posted by Justin Patten
Was it an attack, or a question? I was asked that question once before, when I was newish, by Mr. Ian Quinto. He was trying to find my credibility to question others and give advice. It was a lesson learned. I just bs'd on random shit, studied, trained, and competed for years after that. Then I realized I could actually help people by taking the time to get involved. There are good people here that genuinely want to learn. I could wait for someone else to chime in, but what if they dont? That question goes unanswered and that person is still searching. Im not senior anything and agree with you. Skill makes you talented, not better than anyone. I dont share to try and climb the higherarchy of the nonexistant status of this forum. I share because thats what we do.
The real question is why did that simple question enrage you so? I dont care. Im sorry, I was curious. Believe it or not it does matter.
"I've dealt with your kind before and it has nothing to do with 10th Planet or Jiu Jitsu or MMA." You know me? I fuck goats for fun.
There are people like that on every site/forums on the internet. See it all the time, especially when I used to be a moderator/admin over @ infinity ward/activision a few years ago. Guys get in little elitist cliques and just pick arguments for the shit of it, however Bobby isn't one of them guys. Dude is ALWAYS handing out top notch advice to members in need.Quote:
Originally Posted by Justin Patten
This site really is an exception to the rule. 99.9% of the people here are really cool as fuck and all about helping each other, like a family. Certainly not like your typical forum community. :)
This post just went full Sherdog.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kurzy
i always thought that bobby was senior here on the forum cos he was a purple belt. i mean that doesnt make him the most senior dude, but when i hear something from him, i might think about it a bit more compared to some white belt that i havnt seen anything from but thats just cos through this forum i kind of know who bobby is. or atleast that he is skilled in the gentle way.
tbh at the start i thought he was just yanking your chain justin, you know making fun of you, but you bit like a great white shark. (or something else that bites really well).
i felt bad for vinny watching his fight and i wish he could have gotten it to the ground. im a big fan of jiu jitsu. so i can agree with you there, but you cant just come on and and start ripping into guys on here. jiu jitsu isnt for tough guys, we learn to be better than that. we dont need to go around and use the f word like its the only adjective in the world either.
to finish, i think that the fact a lunchtime was missed here is far worse than who had right or wrong. not having lunch really sucks.
to add to that and please know that im taken the piss here
Do you even lift bro?
if vinny had have taken him to the ground asap and submitted him would you say wrestling is the least important aspect? it's all important.
i agree with justin -
"Yeah, but tell me we weren't all thinking jump guard or shoot for the takedown. Something!! Davis obviously didn't want any of Vinny's ground game so why not at least they to take him there. I feel like so many ground guys are trying to prove something standing. Fuck that. Win!!!"
if vinny had have taken him to the ground asap and submitted him would you say wrestling is the least important aspect? it's all important.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack LaBarge
i agree with justin -
"Yeah, but tell me we weren't all thinking jump guard or shoot for the takedown. Something!! Davis obviously didn't want any of Vinny's ground game so why not at least they to take him there. I feel like so many ground guys are trying to prove something standing. Fuck that. Win!!!"
lol, go where?
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Originally Posted by bobby rivers
Denny's cool?
NO, no way!!! And yes all aspects are important. I'm not saying Jiu jitsu is not important.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mat Heathcock
Wrestling has been dominating Jiujitsu in MMA for along time. Since Mark Kerr, Mark Coleman days. American Top Team and other top MMA teams are trying to recruit Ncaa wrestlers all the time.
That being said, yes wrestlers have been beating by jiu jitsu guys. Higher Percentages go to the Wrestlers at the Higher levels of MMA.
Don't be in denial guys. I really wonder if you guys ever listen to Eddie. Eddie talks about this all the time. Eddie has said one of his main goals is to make jiu jitsu relevant again in MMA. That is not a quote. So don't nick pick my words. I think you get it.
David Rosado, I will get to you later :D. I've been so damn busy. I want to make another post anyways so I can catch up to Bobby Rivers. I need that false sense of superiority. lol
Coolest week ever. My 5 year old started BJJ. There's some LOVE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xddEOi7V4ccQuote:
Originally Posted by sean applegate
CoolQuote:
Originally Posted by bobby rivers
Right on man. Right on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack LaBarge
Your right, there is no Black Belt in Wrestling. But he has the best takedowns in MMA. I don't care what kind of timing gets him there its still wrestling moves. Wrestling predates all styles of jiujitsu. Under hooks, over hooks, leverage, scrambles, clinching, controlling people on the ground (top game) is wrestling 101. Yes, he does try to pass the guard. So yes there's jiujitsu being used. But how many times do we hear Rogan remind everyone that George is a bjj black belt and then Rogan says we don't see it often. He also says that about Rashad Evans but I'm not sure if I ever saw Rashad (bjj black belt)use any jits. Rogan also talks about GSP's incredible wrestling. I've heard Eddie say GSP has the best wrestling in MMA. I'm positive I could find videos of them both talking about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Rosado
Remember when GSP wanted to go to the Olympics for wrestling? Hmm.
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Originally Posted by David Rosado
How dare you!!! :) Please NEVER compare a Brazilian National Wrestling Champion to a US, D1 NCAA National Wrestling Champion...Not even in the same league. Not even close!!! So I will repeat. If you can takedown a D1 ncaa Wrestling Champ with easy you have great wrestling.
Yes he's A MMA fighter who mixes it up. But he is winning by controlling where the fight goes. By takedowns or anti- wrestling. Most people would tell you that's what wrestlers do in a mma fight. So I will DISAGREE with you on him dominating opponents with BJJ.
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He tooled Sonnen like a white belt. His two losses to wrestlers were kickboxing matches that he didn't even try to take to the ground. But his last three performances are great examples. All three against serious wrestlers. You should watch them and not just use irrelevant finish stats.
Chael P. Sonnen has been submitted 7 times. He is a white belt in my opinion.
"not just use irrelevant finish stats." lol. But stats do tell a story. I used them on this thread because yourself and others were saying Maia was dominating with his Jiu jitsu. Well, when I hear a striker is dominating I expect tko's or ko's. If a wrestler is dominating I expect him controlling where the fight goes and manhandling his opponent usually winning a decision. If I hear a jiu jitsu guy is dominating I expect Submissions. That's why I used the facts of Maia having only 1 submission win since 2009 and losing twice to 2 wrestlers. Maia losing to the 2 wrestlers because it was a kickboxing match doesn't really show him using his jiu jitsu and you guys were using him as your example of properly using his jiu jitsu in mma. Maia's last 3 wins...he beat Kim Dong-Hyun (judo) due to injury on a takedown. Insert GSP, " I'm not impressed"... Rick Story, good win, not a huge opponent tho.
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Yes it's that huge of a win. Tell me who has ever dominated Fitch? GSP. A Hendricks left hand. Maia. And the fight didn't hit the ground. Maia forced it there. And he hept it there. Yes it's that huge of a win.
OK...Fitch is over rated IMO. Lets take Gsp (loss) out of it, Hendricks(loss) left hand out of it, BJ (draw), BJ was already on the down slide, out of it. What is left is a bunch of mediocre opponents padding his wins. I don't see any big wins for Fitch! Maia took Fitch down body triangle him and smacked him around. I stated before Maia grappling is superior to Fitch. Fitch is more of a jiujitsu guy with very good wrestling. He is not a elite wrestler. IMO.
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If a boxer can KO a Muay Thai guy in Muay Thai rules, it doesn't make them a great Muay Thai guy. And I disagree. He may be using wrestling to take it down, but it's all BJJ on the ground.
Striking is striking to me! The "Art of Eight Limbs" The boxers hands are two of the eight limbs.
Again, its not ALL (Key word all) bjj on the ground. GSP is always on top. He's not in his guard. He's looking for dominate position and he rarely tries for a submission unless its open. Under hooks, over hooks, leverage, scrambes, clinching and controlling people on the ground (top game) is wrestling 101. That's why Jiu jitsu guys have trouble sweeping good wrestlers. You should watch more folk style wrestling. Be thankful for wrestling no-gi grips also. He does lots of GNP which is not BJJ. But he is trying to pass guard on most opponents I will give you that.
Fixed. lol. Thanks Kurzy:o
Jack, man come on you know my brain can't handle all these words and junk at once. :)