For sure, Brown and Black you gotta get to HQ/compete, I'm talkin' about Blues and Purples :)Quote:
Originally Posted by David Rosado
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For sure, Brown and Black you gotta get to HQ/compete, I'm talkin' about Blues and Purples :)Quote:
Originally Posted by David Rosado
You make the same good point a lot of other people make JC the problem is there is another option (competition). Plus unless you are a jiu jitsu savant and can go from white to black in 4 years then you don't have to make the trip every year. You have years to plan for a trip to HQ.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay Chow
Traveling to HQ anytime at all in the near future is not an option for me. I now have over $10,000 of medical bills (after insurance) from my sons heart surgery last month. I'm lucky I have insurance cause so far I've gotten over $350,000 worth of bills. That's with 2 more surgeries to go. I did still get slammed with thousands and have to do what I can. So I'm sorry, but not everybody can make that trip. I will one day, but no time soon. I'll be lucky if my affiliation and school survives after all the shit I'm having to deal with right now.
The way affiliate ranking is now though, it still leaves me another option. Compete. I'm more than happy with that. :)
You only have to look at your son to know that you shouldn't lose hope. For sure 10th Planet Charlotte will survive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Helton
Competition is great, but in the UK it's rare, we only get two major tournaments a year, that's not enough. Especially when the past two times I have been too injured to compete, it's ridiculous. So I HAVE to go to HQ.
join the club here in NZ no gi comps are rare. One nationals a year...
If you don't have the tournaments in your area, just organize them yourself. :)
This goes back to the monetary issues. As I said, I'm talking about exceptional circumstances, but I agree with the competing and visiting HQ as a whole.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matthias Sieber
Damn Helton. Respect. Good luck with everything. I'm def counting my blessings. Hearing the sacrifices you guys make really puts my situation in perspective. I've got it good.
Hey Jay Chow...can I put a little bug in your ear? Not sure how realistic it is for you, but have you considered organizing competitions? Do some research. Look into what it entails. Talk to the local schools and see if they'd be interested. Sometimes if there's no option, you gotta make the option. I mean, you've already considered opening your own 10th planet. Why not get some experience handling business? I'm sure it's easier said than done, but unless you look into it, you'll never know.
Its Your System! Its Your Rules! Don't Change it!
It's in the making, :)Quote:
Originally Posted by David Rosado
Personally I think the system is flawed. I have sent countless pictures of me rolling and hanging out at tournaments and I still don't have a blue belt. I mean seriously, what's it going to take?
Sarcasm?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Ludington
hahahahha wow I thought that was obviousQuote:
Originally Posted by Jay Chow
I think that's 100% your prerogative. I don't think you'd ever give a belt to someone who didn't deserve it, and I'm sure you'd know in your gut when it's appropriate or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo
Here's some food for thought:
I'm pretty sure that if you happen to be in Rochester giving a seminar and you're ready to promote Chris, I sure as hell would NOT have a problem with you promoting him there in front of his students and his family vs in LA where none of those ppl will be there. The dude bleeds 10th Planet, and I'm willing to bet that if you were to promote him after a seminar in Rochester, nobody would complain. I bet they'd be happy as hell for him!
But that's just my humble opinion. Same goes for Frack in Australia, Mathias, or any of the other instructors out there. I wouldn't mind if you just so happened to promote them at their home gym, or anywhere for that matter, as long as you thought they deserved it. : )
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by Mario Lopez Alvarez
nice :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Ludington
I can certainly understand this point of view. I hadn't really thought of how nice it would be to promote someone in front of their own gym. I think it's a valid thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mario Lopez Alvarez
Good point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon Mccaghren
perfectly said. I think promoting at seminars is perfectly acceptable. If you get to roll with them, see how they interact with students and watch them in their own "world"- then it gives you (maybe) even a better insight to how they are. When they come to HQ/Tourney's the pressure is ON. And what I mean by that is- bad days happen. Every single one of us has been rocked by some guy we thought we would demolish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mario Lopez Alvarez
My luck- it was always when I had some hot babe there to watch me. "No seriously babe, you should have seen me at the last event!..."
I mean look at Barncat, that kid put on a SHOW on the Cruise. What if he never made it to HQ? Did he earn it on the boat? I guess that's the big question.
Honestly, it'll just require more work and attention from you Eddie :)
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Thats how Marcelo does it too, everyone should. Unfortunately not everyone does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo
Plus... It hurts losing to a Nibiru Warrior ranked lower than you in an absolute finals match. I'm in no rush to be a black belt. I'm only in a rush to submit my opponents in under five minutes. There is no other way.
No f#$%^ way! I have no problem flying 10000 miles TWICE PER YEAR, not this year ( OCT/NOV I WILL BE THERE) as I have been way too busy with the affiliate and raising kids, training fighters, doing seminars around Oz, MMA commentary for AFC, EYETV MMA web show, MMA radio ect.. but other than that I am proud of my effort and only feel that I SHOULD be this dedicated to have the honour of repping this system as I am.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo
I fucking kill myself training hard every damn day just like Louis Ho stated, and for the same reasons too, to have the necessary skills to mix it with the gang at HQ, AND ANYONE ELSE AT MY RANK IN MY STATE/COUNTRY.
Eddie Bravo has graded me and for the reasons he has stated initially in this thread.
THANK GOD HE DID, I WOULDN'T WANT IT ANY OTHER WAY!
Sorry if I sound a little passionate and enthusiastic/emotional about this topic, but my value of currency is legit at my rank, cos it came from the source, and it is unique and hard earnt. And so it should!
You want the glory, spill blood son! I have seen way too many people, just in my affiliate alone, who seemed to have the balls to take it to the top only to fall short because their work ethic and dedication wavered thinking that it was going to be easy, and that the rules didn't apply to them. Well they do! And so they should.
It keeps the quality in and the truth always comes out in the end under pressure testing circumstances! You can never hold a rank in this system and not expect to DEFEND IT! You must! Its an unwritten rule for me. Call me old school whatever. I live by these values. We have everything to prove, everything if we are to take this incredible system of submission grappling to the heights that it deserves.
Keep it as it should be Eddie Bravo.
I love being completely dedicated and know what its like to have to find another way to win! I wake up every fricken day and try to figure out a better way to pass or sweep or finish if I couldn't the night before. How I can promote the system another way. How I can get the 10th Planet JJ system into other areas toexpose it better for all to see. I believe in it. I love having to be accountable/responsible for my actions and performance as a teacher and a student. I love the feeling deep in my gut I get when I know I am going to compete to represent the 10th Planet JJ Family, and I also love competing along side my students as a team who are loyal and honest about their hard work preparing and repping the system cos we love it and will do everything to keep it at its best and keep the quality in.
I truly believe that you have it down perfectly Eddie. Compete or get your ass' to HQ and hang with the beasts!
No other way! Ever!
You roll on weekends? :-PQuote:
Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo
It's totally a fair way to get promoted. If you can't make the trip, then compete. I wish more instructors would compete. It would be great to see. I'm proud to compete and rep the system. Things might not always turn out the way I envisioned, but I always feel the improvement and find the lesson learned. The only way to smash haters is with success. Either way you're gonna have show what you got on one stage or another.. You never lose, you learn
I agree ....keep it the way it is.....i rather it be tough so that way the quality stays good
Perfectly fair Maestro. Don't change a thing.
I think it should stay the way it is. My blue from Eddie holds more valor than a brown from a lot of the schools around here. Everyone knows that the work has been put in to earn that belt. Also from all the dudes I have rolled with from other Moons all of them are killers. I hold my own against black/browns and wreck purples and blues from other non 10p schools. But that is not the case against 10th Planet dudes. I think the quality standards are exactly how it should be. It is tough to build the gym up and raise my daughter and see my wife but the sacrifices make the rewards that much sweeter. I hopefully will be making the trip out to HQ this December to learn as much as I can. But I and my guys are getting out to Springfield for the Seminars and training trips as much as we can. Also its all about the journey as much as it is about the destination. Dont change anything.
Thanks for the recognition Eddie, it is greatly appreciated. I feel like a promotion, any promotion is a privilege not a right and how they are given is completely up to the instructor no matter how easy or impossible the requirements are you must meet their expectations. You could change the requirements so a person can pay a certain amount and get a bunch of celebs and high level MMA fighters to come through and get "black belts" but who wants that? Who wants someone to only strive to MEET the requirements, I want to excel past any requirements for a promotion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo
Ok, I've been holding off for a bit on this, but I decided to put my two cents in on this. First and foremost: THE MASTER OR CREATOR OF A SYSTEM MAKES THE RULES. End of story. If anyone doesn't like, or can't abide by the rules, then they need to make their own decision. Every man and woman is responsible ONLY for themselves and what they believe. It's up to the individual to decide what's good for them. Regardless of whether people are ok with the rules is irrelevant: if you decide to be a part of a system or organization, you are bound by the rules. That, or bow out gracefully. Period.
Additionally, I would say that everyone's situation is very different. It's easy for some to say "just go to HQ" if they don't share the same level or sorts of responsibilities as others. Same with competing. Easy to say for some, not so practical for others. All I can say is that if you are young, single, have no kids, and don't have a day job/career with a lot of demands, that fact is; it's much more of a simple equation. When I was in my 20's and only had the obligation to work and train, I travelled everywhere I could to get whatever training I could. Now, 20 some odd years later, it's not so simple. A career in the medical industry with deliverables, projects, and responsibilities, not to mention something called a Family, makes it impractical to do much of what I WANT to do.
It's also necessary to understand what's important to you as an individual. For me, at this point, being promoted isn't that much of a priority right now. Watching my kids grow up, teaching when I'm able, and improving myself are. When the time is right, and when I feel ready, I'll make the trip to HQ. It will require planning, and won't happen often, but when it's the right time it will happen.
Again, it's all an individual thing. If someone makes the trip to HQ, or asks Eddie to truncate a seminar to roll for evaluation, that's up to them. When the leader of a system determines that a person is ready-that's when it's time. Otherwise, if you feel you're worthy-go out and qualify for a major grappling tourney. Get in the UFC. Do something to demonstrate that you are worthy. Me, I'm just content where I am and with what I can do. There are no belts in life after all, and if that's how we judge a person, then I'm pretty confident that's the only thing that matters.
I also leave you with this from Arjarn Kru Phil Nurse : "The only belt that matters, is the one you get in the ring". :)
Ive h and watched everything people have been saying and i think that Eddies message may be getting misconstrued.I don't think Eddie is asking if people can "buy" a belt from him. Eddie would never do that. That said he only asked if thinks he should promote affiliate INSTRUCTORS at their gym during a seminar. So i think we should answer that question, its not like Eddie is gonna ever hand out a brown belt to someone who isn't at the brown belt level. That's all Eddie is asking...i think people are expanding on the question too much. So if we are going to keep posting on this thread lets talk about the real question. No disrespect i have mad love for all the hard working 10th Planet guys who feel just as passionate about this as i do!
Maybe you missed the point. He has the criteria in place for a reason. Its not about where he hands out a belt, its about how you are evaluated. A: prove your self on the mats in competition B: go to Hollywood and prove yourself against people who's game and skill level Eddie has a clear understanding of. An instructor hosting a seminar at his gym and running through the guys that he teaches would not prove much would it. Im pretty sure Eddies message was not misconstrued.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cody Kietzman
Hmm. Another really good point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonathan Wylie
I'm sorry. I'm having problems explaining myself...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonathan Wylie
Everyone has so many good valid points, I agree that Eddie knows the standard he is looking for in people and so does everyone all the way down to the white belts, I Love 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu, WHY? For a whole multitude of reasons......We all enjoy training in 10th Planet and constantly striving to better ourselves, be that on the mats, at a competition or seminar, through DVD's & Books...if Eddie did not have belts would that bother me....NO!!! I would still continue to follow this system regardless.
A view from outside. I think you have to have these kind of standards. Otherwise the art goes in the direction of the McDojo. It also helps protect against fakes which no group needs.
On an individual note, I'd much rather be a purple under somebody who is stingy giving out rank than a brown under someone who passes it out like candy.
Great responses from the instructors at the moons on this thread - good tough group of guys. Great comments overall.
One last thing I didn't see referenced. Eddie I bet if you asked your instructor about it JJM would totally back your standards and give good advice on it. All the Machados have dealt with it with varying degress of success and failure.
Rock on guys and represent. Eddie's seminars are da bomb and am waiting for all the future work/books, etc. like the rest of you.
Not too tough. No reason that someone can't work around those two options
?:^)