this should settle the jj vs. weapons debate once and for all http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/4/6/...lata-breakdown
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this should settle the jj vs. weapons debate once and for all http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/4/6/...lata-breakdown
i agree . with almost all of the statement. all martial arts are a great confidense booster ,but I think it puts most of them in harms way as in tkd you try that tip tap stuff on a normal avergae wrestler your going to get massacred. then when your in a bloddy heap you can tell him you won a award at a tournament. reality is most martial arts dont teach you live scenarios , its all what if. You see this alot in amatuer mma fights a guy that knows very little but brawling usually wins cause of his aggression vs the guy who is following a form he was taught. I think nogi grappling should go untill theres a submission , no points , but i do realize that would take forever in some cases. makes you up your game though!!
Bingo. I think you said it perfectly.Quote:
Originally Posted by James Davis
1. If they guy has a friend, your going to the ground ANYWAY 2. If the guy has a knife you RUN, or use one of the MANY knife defense techniques Royce's dad made, OR if your already on the ground: break the arm 3. You dont have to strangle or mangle anyone, jiu jitsu will allow you to not get hurt and stop the assailiant without hurting THEM.
I've used bjj in a streetfight. Choked out a guy who was hitting my friend. it worked. There were people watching but they didn't do much to me except pull me off I guess they were scared I would do the same to them if they jumped in. I wouldn't recommend using it unless you really have to though, you're not always guaranteed to come out unhurt. I got lucky in that situation.
jui-jitsu works, but looking back at other stupid fights I've gotten in for dumbass reasons I wouldn't recommend using it unless you really have to.
Troll
that was for frank-theman-james--why hasnt this guy been kicked off the forum yet?
I think that is true im thinking about only enterng submission only tournements from now on. I also think that their should not be rounds in a ufc fight i think that non title fights should be 20 minutes of just straight fighting and title fights should be 30 minutes of straight fighting.
Training JJ and MMA has shown me that I can survive any street fight because of one thing: my resulting above average fitness and stamina will enable me to run off and not get caught by the other guy.
Its a smart marketing and strategic business plan for the Gracies, and it has worked well for them. You don't have to agree with them, but calling someone a fool that really put Jiu Jitsu on the map, and opened the eyes of thousands if not millions of people to the effectiveness and necessity for ground fighting is a bit extreme. Most of us wouldn't be training Jiu Jitsu if it wasn't for Royce.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Perez
I apologize maybe fool wasnt the right choice of word and he did do a lot for the sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Herzog
this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brent E.
and, i think this is what Frank was getting at. i personally hate point tournaments...
someone mentioned something about it in this past Clay Guida vs. Anthony Pettis fight (dont get me wrong with this, i think BOTH are badass fighters, and Clay is an AMAZING fighter who i respect professionally and personally)
but i seriously think Pettis SHOULD have won that fight. he put guida in a bunch of dangerous situations....guida held him down.
big difference between the two.
i read an article not long ago about "is wrestling ruining MMA?" and I couldnt agree more. for me, its boring, stalling and lame to know you can win via decision. obviously its sport, so those kinda rules are needed, but...
we (jiu jitsu practitioners) tend to have a long standing feud with wrestlers. we spout submissions, they spout control. both are crucial, but JUST control doesnt win fights in any realm- youre not gonna get a guy to tap out, quit, or pass-out due to control.
when points matter, control matters. combine the two- HELL YEAH.
I think thats what Royce may have been getting at too- points take away from the REAL winner sometimes.
i mean really...when is the last time you said "ohhh man, this fight is going to be awesome. i cant WAIT to see it go to the judges!" Ill consider a guy MORE of a champ who can finish a fight, much more than someone who can win via points. and lets face it- some people DO fight that way, in both MMA and tourneys. burns my noodle and makes for boring fights.
watching fights go back and forth for technical agility on the behalf of both fighters, THOSE are fun. just so happens that a LOT of wrestlers hold people down- and almost nothing else, just hold. watching one guy essentially sit on someone elses chest... well... Homer can you take this for me?
http://youtu.be/i8LOLswfTkQ
Awesome, very well saidQuote:
Originally Posted by Kendell Madden
what Royce is saying is that the PURITY of the martial art is being diluted. I agree. You see it a lot in MMA how BJJ guys aren't as vicious as they once were because 90% of they time it's being used for tourney purposes. It's hard to break those habits when you start as a black belt entering MMA. I mean, that's what, 10 years of habits? What if BJJ was trained with a fight approach? I'd think it'd be a bit more dominant in the UFC than it is now.
Tae Kwon Do can be vicious if trained for actual harm vs scoring points. But you look at muay Thai....why's it so effective? Because it kept a part of it to actual combat.
Royce is right. The purity of all martial arts tends to get diluted by competition.
if we brought back pride rules all this boring/stalling would not be happening anymore!
the ibjjf has some of the strictest rules in the game. they should be submission only, round robin or double elimination.
Boy, Frank really was a super dusche. That fuckin internet.