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I don't see how Lloyd Irvin can be held responsible for what 2 of his students done on a night out? I have read some comments from well known Brazilian Black belts who seem more interested in damaging Lloyd Irvins reputation when they should be concerned for the victims welfare and privacy! My thoughts go to the victim and her family!
I used allegedly....yes they did get caught on tape but I posted this right when it came out. It's not my place to say someone actually did something or didn't I was just reposting what I found online to make this thread....I even still managed to fuck up the title name..innocent until proven guilty....that whole thing. Someone could say they caught you on film doing something and I could easily spread rumors which could be false just on what I reposted from the internet...this is a phrase we all just picked up saying from listening to Rogan's podcast bro.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kurzy
if you check the threads on the UG, it seems that LLoyd and his entire crew are a bunch of disgustingly fanatical rape apologists
not just random white belts, we're talking Marcos Avellan and other black belts making completely brain dead statements, attacking Keenan Cornelius' family members for speaking out against Lloyd, trying to shame them saying things like "Lloyd made Keenan a lot of money and this is how you repay him."
Gee Marcos, sorry but I when a guy watches 6 other men gangrape a 17 year old and is on record admitting he wanted to join in but couldn't because his dick wouldn't get hard, anything else he does flies out the window pretty fucking fast
truly some of the most sickening stuff I've seen in the BJJ world
Aint that the fucking truth. Well said. :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacob Allen
I don't know Lloyd at all. I'm not really looking to defend him. This whole situation is awful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacob Allen
But...
I can't really blame his students for jumping to his defense. I think many of us would do the same in their shoes. They've known him for years, especailly his black belts. I'm sure they trust and respect him. If I had to guess, they had no idea about this until the news broke, so it's probably a shock to them all. I'm sure they feel like he's given them so much and they just cannot fathom him being anything but a man of high character.
See, in their eyes, he's innocent. To them, he's not guilty of standing by while 6 other men gang raped a 17 year old girl. Because they trust and respect their master, the only thing he's guilty of in their eyes is being impotent during some freaky college group sex.
That said, it sounds like they (and Lloyd) could be handeling things better than they are...
Sadly, this isn't the first rape situation that the BJJ world has dealt with. Last one that made fairly big news was just a few years back in fact...Quote:
truly some of the most sickening stuff I've seen in the BJJ world
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Originally Posted by lates85
Good point, and I am all for the ideology of innocent until proven guilty.
Hey guys, I've been following this since the story broke, and I really don't want any of this info getting lost to the depths of the internet.
I've made a site to chronicle everything that is going on with this:
*click here* Lloyd Irvin Rape Exposed *click here*
I've already got a lot of info, anything that you feel should be added, or any comments are welcome, I'm posting up new info as it comes out.
If this story dies, then Lloyd Irvin gets to go back to his life like nothing happened. He should be reminded of every bit of this everyday for the rest of his life.
Noticed this from Keenan's Dad on the UG. Man I feel sorry for him right now. Must be tough having your child in that situation.
Seems like every day more dark shit is getting added to the situation. Was reading that as well as Lloyd being a rapist, the guy that gave him his bb in Sambo is also a convicted pedophile that made 2 boys/brothers/his stp-kids have sex with each other. Also another 1 of that guys students is also a convicted rapist doing time.
Lloyd is a fucking egomaniac that likes to control everything and everyone. He is everything I hope not to be in a person. If all that money is going to make me a piece of shit like Lloyd and the Avellans then I don't fucking want it. :-(
Hello MMA.com, I'm Tom Callos, Keenan and Chloe's dad, a 40 year MA practitioner, the last 18+ being in BJJ (mostly) but received my 6th dan from Master Teacher Ernie Reyes, Sr. of San Jose, CA, and a long time school owner/teacher/activist working within the international martial arts community.
For those of you who don't know me, I've been working behind the scenes for nearly 30 years now in the MA teacher's community. I've owned schools, all Ernie Reyes West Coast Schools, most of which are still in business and teaching people the Reyes brand of eclectic, character and performance based martial arts. I've retired from daily teaching, although I still take lessons in BJJ, and I've retired from engaging in school management, although I have, for the last 10+ years, been operating my school and think-tank for teachers of the martial arts --called The 100.
FYI, The 100. was founded based on a correspondence I once had with Ms. Rosa Parks. I had written her a letter and she responded with a 2 page hand-written letter --and, well, it (further) endeared me to her (of course!). One day a few years later I was thinking about her --and wondering if I might ever do something as important as her simple act of protest and I thought, no, I probably wouldn't or couldn't. But I imagined that 100 martial arts teachers, life-timers, might; 100 of us might, given the right subject and good timing, stand up for things that would make our collective efforts something akin to Ms. Rosa's. We haven't managed it yet, but that's the spirit my current work was started with.
We have, however, managed to bring some fine ideas and projects to the table, projects involving anger management, environmental self-defense, community activism, teen suicide prevention, dietary self-defense, bully prevention education, and other non-combative education-based subjects. We stand collectively, I believe, for truth in advertising, transparent pricing, and ethical, sane, and sustainable business practices in the martial arts community.
As for Mr. Avellon (sp?), well, I don't really know who he is (beyond his posts and advertising), what he's done of any significance, or what's wrong with him, but his letters to me have asked if I was retarded, asked me if I was going to continue to carry on like a little girl, and other such bullying tactics --and when I forwarded them to Lloyd to suggest he teach his young student some manners, I got a 30 minute ranting phone call from Lloyd that ended my faith in his coaching, my respect for his intellect, and any desire to cultivate a relationship --on any level --with the man. It was very strange, to say the least (but not half as strange as the sad and thuggish letters I received from MA).
And all of this occurred before all of this other sad nonsense revealed itself. After the rapes and hearing that Keenan's house was broken into by the SWAT team in full riot gear and that Keenan was pushed to the ground, handcuffed, that guns were pointed at him, and that he was taken to jail for questioning, I wanted my son out of there. Keenan told us those two boys who raped that poor girl bragged about it and had taken video on one or more of their cell phones. At that point, I went into full protection mode --and went public with our family's feelings about the disgusting, troubling, and crazy goings on there in MD.
These guys don't need my help in destroying their own reputations or revealing to us what sits behind their work. They're doing a fine job at telling us who they are and what they stand for. It's sad and it's very bad for the martial arts community. I regret, now, engaging with competitive BJJ and introducing my son to this sort of thinking and depravity. BJ Penn is my friend, a former student and training partner, and a teacher of mine, and despite his complete immersion in fight culture, he has managed to retain his integrity, to stand up as a role model of effort and community involvement, and even in defeat, he has carried himself like a champion. I can't say the same for these morally questionable young "instructor-thugs."
That they almost all represent themselves, thru products and hype, as things they are (obviously) anything but, that they have so poorly handled this entire tragedy, that they have engaged in so much stomach churning misogyny and even attacked my daughter's stand on rape and concern for her brother, well, its all becoming quite laughable, I think.
Keenan is a smart young man, raised well, and conscientious about his practice. I don't want to see this collective lack of character and intelligence stain him as he proceeds with his martial arts and life journey. I also recognize that, until things went so bad, they didn't seem "that" bad, but now, knowing what we all know, how can we sit idle and not expect the men and women bright enough to recognize what's going on and to see who is driving the bus, to look for greener pastures?
I still find it hard to believe this has all happened. The only benefit to anyone in all of this mess is what it's taught us, through the revealing behavior of their "team," what this organization is, apparently, constructed of. Shame.
I offer praise to my brave daughter, Chloe, for speaking up, publicly. I'd like to see 1000 more women/men step up and set the record straight about what rape is --and why we don't keep it quiet, tolerate it, or support those who commit it.
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma....2117473&page=9
Holy crap.
Wait, who is Keenan?