I know they test men to see if they have above normal levels of testosterone before fights, so if they did the same for women, wouldnt he test above the norm for womens limits?
I know they test men to see if they have above normal levels of testosterone before fights, so if they did the same for women, wouldnt he test above the norm for womens limits?
your right ! deep down this dude hates woman. & mma is a avenue for him to fight chicks legally. '' psychiatric help needed ''Quote:
Originally Posted by bobby rivers
I think when you get your shit chopped off your T levels drop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Carbone
man there is a lot of negativity here.
Has anyone else actually looked up info about the process and the affects it has to people in sport?
Not to have a go at anyone but it really does sound like the general view of this chick is brock lesnar with no dick (except the tattoo)
i thought id do a bt of research and look into it.
seems like its been repeatedly proved by various scientists from various countries and agreed on in msot places that if someone has undergone treatment before puberty then they are without question classfied as the gender theyve changed into. on the other hand if the treatment happens after puberty which is the case with fallon fox who is 37 and had the surgery in 2006, then it is up to the sporting commision to decide, but is clearly stated that legitimacy should be givne no sooner than 2 years.
there have also been tests done to see if the types of medication given to women after their treatment affects BMD (bone marrow density) which has been proven to do down to regular female levels without causing symptoms of oesteroperosis. not only that but the BMI increases which signifies that there is an change of lean mass to fat mass.
i reckon its pretty bigoted to have a go at this chick when we dont know much about her,
my opinion is that she should be tested by the athletic commission on things such as testoserone levels, muscle to fat ratio, bone marrow density, and maybe a couple other things but as far as I can tell, if shes followed the normal medication and treatment which from looking at photos, she seems to have done, i reckon let her go for it. theres a good possibility that shes submitting people and knocking them out because shes trained ? because she put in a lot of time and effort into training? how would you all feel if you did everything right , sturggled for years to get up to a high level of your sport and then even though you didnt cheat, everyone ruins your acheivements and says you didnt actually earn them? ( im not saying this is true or false in fallons case, its jsut a hypothetical situation)
and then the statement about women not being able to knock others out is as unfounded as sonnen getting a title shot against jones. Im not a pro when it comes to womens mma but i looked that up too, cyborg has various tkos due to punches aswell as a ko (knee to body) and a kcikboxing knockout as gina carano has knock outs aswell. im sure there are a lot more than just those too.
so get her tested to be sure but if she gets through drop it. obviously shes jsut trying to get through life as well as she can.
ps. getting a sex change in order to change into the other genders category would be worse than those idiots getting their partners name tattoed in big gothic letters on their face after dating for a month.
Links to information
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20625973
http://www.ausport.gov.au/participat...es/transgender
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mma...ansgender-mma/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cristiane_Santos
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gina_Carano
I think I'm gonna get me floppy ears and a tail and start dog fighting.
This isnt about some long time fighter who loved the sport and wanted to continue fighting in it. This is a guy is his 30's who NEVER trained or competed until AFTER he got the operation, so he would only have to fight women. He did so without letting the women he was fighting know, which in my opinion is a punk move. The only reason Fox released this info now is that someone found out and was gonna report it anyway. Otherwise, Fox would have kept coming in, beating on women, and collecting money for it.
I wouldnt say for sure that all transgenders shouldnt ever be allowed to fight (i would have to see all the medical facts on it). Maybe look at it on a case by case basis, taking into account age of transformation, length of time as a man, testosterone check, ect... But if nothing else YOU HAVE GOT TO LET THE OPPONENT KNOW AHEAD OF TIME so they can make an informed decision on their safety. Imagine if Fox's knee to the face had killed that women instead of just knocking her out, then everyone found out afterwards that Fox was born a man. If that was someone you cared about, you wouldnt be pissed?
Which is worse, an honest bigot or a tolerant hippocrate?
The dude lied on his application about being a man then said " oh sorry " I forgot and left that out, he left out the most important thing about him, that he was born a man and lived as a man for 30 plus years. I'm not a legal eagle but that sounds like fraud to me
I don't know how big you are but my moneys on the dog (no offense)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin Madsen
A male is a male, a female is a female. Whatever correct or incorrect choices we as humans make does not change the DNA makeup of how we were created. We must embrace what we are, not try to change it all the time. I have nothing against anyones personal choices. Just don't try to change other peoples minds with the choices you have made. Don't try to corrupt or pear pressure others to believe the same beliefs you have, thats with everything in life. :/