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Look guys im off today and this is kinda my pet so ima stroke it.
I would like to add that I have been footlocked, toe holded, and heel hooked while developing(ongoing) my dlr/spiral. And I plan on it happening more. But instead of saying 'fuck that', I look at where either I gave them something or they capitalized with an efficient attack. Both can be addressed.
And I stay away from 50/50 like it has lepracy.
Sometimes when your fishing for snapper you hook a shark and break your rod:) Or you catch a bigass shark that was way cooler than the 30 snapper you planned on. The higher the level. I see everything as bait. Your fishing for other fisherman.Quote:
Originally Posted by VJ Bella
I almost got eaten by a real shark snorkeling in key West yesterday!! Too soon Bobby!!
Yeah, to think you can hold a guy off from playing spiral and de la riva just with threats of a footlock or a good stance isn't going to work for long as you get better at spiral and de la rivaQuote:
Originally Posted by bobby rivers
They're two of the top played guards at the high levels, I think for the long run its better to work on passing these guards just like other guards instead of going for footlocks all the time, that's more of my point, not saying that about anyone, just an observation
Spiral and De La Riva are so dynamic, that's the reason these guys play them so much, 1 mistake and your back is taken, constant distance control, off balancing, threats of sweeps, back takes and leg attacks of their own, such a battle
I usually end up limp legging or using it for a pass too. I'm by no means saying it doesn't work. It does work. Like everything in jitz it's all about the setup. I just haven't personally had a ton of success with it against our guys but I think that's because we are so familiar with it. X-guard just fits in my game a little better. Especially since I love 50/50 and have had the most success getting to it from X guard.
Bobby I have no doubt your DLR is awesome dude. Do you think anyone training purely no gi could have an awesome DLR?
I really like the old school/electric chair analogy you made early on. Thats struck quite a chord with me.
Great discussion, playing devils advocate to an extent we all respect how incredibly good Kennan is however I think his DLR was ineffective there, against a guy who Keenan could probably have done better against from close guard.
Rustev might be amazing at footlocks I have no idea but all of the attempts I saw were submission before position and we all know that is not the way to go thanks to Zog for one. So it doesnt go anyway to proving DLR as some sort of safety zone which its not.
I also dont think DLR is as good for submission only as it is in pts matches, which is what I believe we should all be heading towards, when watching the match you posted from the correct perspective Keenan is comfortable, in control and the favourite throughout. If it was 'submission only' Rustev was the one going for toeholds and even without any control this is better odds for a finish in sub only than DLR guard where youre quite a long way from a sub. In reality a submission only match would have looked a lot different.
Was Keenan using lots of DLR in the Kumiet I cannot recall?
I'd love to see some instances of it working in no gi.
Bobby youve give fantastic advice on the DLR its certainly opened my eyes to the possiblities, I have respect for anyone who has mastered or is on the way to mastering such advanced guards like DLR which is why I want to try it out however personally am still cautious.
I shall see your Keenan and raise you 1 Cyborg http://youtu.be/FboEeSAHQ_Y
I’ll quickly interject. I might get shit for it but I think a strong DLR is best built in the gi. There are dozens more options with the sleeves, belt, and lapels in play. I’ve said before that the DLR was more limited in no-gi and I stand by that. The majority of no-gi DLR sweeps you see are extending the unhooked leg to come up on the single, and berimbolo style tilts, and tripod sweeps. It’s great to transition to the X guard and reverse DLR or spiral as I see it called here often.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Garry
I think DLR is just as good for submission only as it is for conventional tournaments simply based on the fact that it’s good for sweeping. Not many people at the high level (gi or no-gi) are landing subs from the guard. The more effective approach is to sweep and finish from the top or the back. The DLR fits in with that model. There is not one reliable guard right now at the high level where people are submitting from the guard.
Keenan used the DLR a lot in the Kumite. He’s got some great examples of using it in no-gi. So does Cobrinha, Rafa Mendes, Jeff Glover, Gianni, Grippo, Leandro Lo, Caio Terra, and the Miyao Bros. Those are the big ones that come to mind, mostly lighter dudes.
If you want me to have pitty on you while you're snorkling in paradise you're crazy. Regardless, if a shark attacks stay facing him and Hiesman the nose. Move to dorsal control then the tail. Koala bear up until you have a closed guard and double gill control. Punch in grab somethin squishy and rip. Remind him where we are on the foodchain. We have thumbs. Science!Quote:
Originally Posted by VJ Bella
Chris, I 1,000% believe that a strictly nogi guy can effectively learn and execute an effective dlr. Mike is right and you eluded to it as well. Its about improving position. How is sweeping or taking the back not optimal for sub only? I swear to you Ive never trained to get a point in my life and never will.(I am mindful of them tho)
Mike, you'll never get shit from me man. You know your shit. Dlr has more controling options in gi, yes. But I only play it like that if im tired even in gi. My main objective is to get my outside leg across his far hip and put a boot on while constantly climbing his body like I just kicked a grizzly bear in the nuts. Once i get the boot Im either inverting or grabbing the far ankle or hip or both. I NEVER let go of both hands at the same time. If you do that the grizzly gets you and you both fall into lava.