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He was definitely borderline predator. I wouldve called the cops myself if he went through with it. Posting with your daughters name is weird enough. Thats almost like using your daughters facebook to stalk out her friends. Very odd dude. Fuck him if he cant take a joke
If you ain't a predator, you don't completely cut off a section of your life when a single accusation is made in passing.
[QUOTE=brent_littell;186087]Funny, cause I didn't invoke my job title as a marriage and family therapist who specializes in trauma to children and treating offenders. I just pointed out what he was doing. Guess I just did ;)QUOTE].
Funny, that my comment in particular caught your eye. The thread is pretty self explanatory.
To be honest, if one of the right hand men of Eddie said what Brent said, I'm not sure who would stick around.
Anyone?? Be honest.. Go back and read it again.
you can be qualified to teach as I white belt, look zach Maslany and Jm holland, white belts for along time but super knowledgeable and great intstructors, but if you dont train...you shouldnt be mad when people question your intentions and act less mature then his ten year old daughter.
I must admit I initally thought Brent was pretty harsh but after reading his follow up and considering the time he has personally invested in 10th Planet and the ramifications to him if there was to be "rogue" elements diluting the brand I have completely changed my mind.
Also, the response of Bruce has assisted me in changing my view. I always enjoyed watching Cora's videos (I must admit I didn't watch all of them) but I was getting frustrated by his inability to take feedback. When people like Zog, Brandon, Sam (and others) are giving you advice you should take it on board. To ignore them or offer multiple excuses why you can't do something is plain disrespectful. To then unfriend everyone is a pathetic response. We have a saying in Australia that in times like this you should take a teaspoon of concrete and harden the fuck up. Seems appropriate in this instance....
I think that's what he meant. Brent is a bb and that's why he took it that hard. Still don't think he should teach. May be truth to living vicariously through his daughter. He may be a bit of a n odd duck but being cslled as pedephile is a little harsh. All the rest about cteds and what it meand to our ranking system I agree with. Maybe after ignoring polite advice for so long tho it may have been needed.
Bruce couldn't handle 5 minutes of call of duty without chucking the xbox out the window.
I always thought it was weird he would post under his daughters name. I don't mind him posting so much about his daughter, she is good but he could have done it from his own account. If she can choke fools out she can post on this forum too.
Probably getting to the point of piling on now. Lets go ahead and let this one die, fellers.
I haven't posted yet on this...so....ttt
Man, I knew I should have posted on this shit yesterday. I have a lot to say, but what is the point. I respect everyone here and if my balls got to get busted every often, so be it. Rage quitting and deleting people on Facebook is not the characteristics of a mature, rational adult. Suck poison out before it spreads. At the end of the day, we are here to defend Eddie, his instructors and the integretity of the system. Don't want the truth, or handle constructive critism, don't do any martial arts at all, because it is the realist shit you could ever do. Bruce missed the point and for Cora and her journey that is nothing short of a God damn shame.
"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Kyle Spalla again."
Devils advocate here.
It seems everyone just automatically assumed that Bruce was going to set up mats in a dark, dingy garage and play with children behind a rolled down door.
Funny, I am a parent of a 13 year old girl who does Jiu Jitsu, and I visualized it as an open house, with proud parents standing around chatting in the laneway as Cora proceeded to show the basic RG path to a bunch of kids who don't even know what Guard is. Amazing how different peoples perspectives can be.
I remember when Cora's account was first opened up here; It was opened FOR CORA, but Bruce started posting under the account because, if memory serves, she was a little too young for some of the stuff that gets discussed around here, and likely doesn't have the interested in type-talking to bunch of grown men. The intent was never for Bruce to post under his daughters name. She wanted the account here after getting the RG book.
If I recall, I believe he even talked about how he should probably open up another account under his own name, but some of the people here said "Fuck it, don't worry about it"
Brent, you did a great job of stopping a potential Garage-Box tragedy from happening in an effort to uphold 10P Quality Control Assurance. Perfect.
Your assertions of creepiness are your own, and like anything, you have the right to your own opinions. However there is something to be said for tact. Or lack thereof.
Bruce: Man up. I told you back when you first started posting here that you should be rolling, and now instead you're running. That's bullshit. I have a shoulder that has come out of joint with full dislocations probably over 40 times. Jiu Jitsu made it better than ever. It was at a point where it would fall out in my sleep, but the exercises in JJ have given it strength. Injuries shouldn't stop you.
The way you pulled away and started deleting facebook friends is displaying a man who does not have his ego in check. Only you can help that. My instructor Stew said it: Learn to eat Humble Pie.
Show up for classes and learn.
You're still in my good books as a father and a friend to Cora. If you pull her out of Jiu Jitsu, you will have proven me wrong and shown me you are less than nothing.
A little something else to think about: Cora is growing up quickly. You're going to be entering years where your bond will not be the same as it is right now. Do you really want to take something away from her that she loves, just because you can't check your ego?
Do you think she would ever forgive you for taking Jiu Jitsu away from her, even if she pretended to?
Do you think you will be able to stop her, or control her every move as she becomes a young lady?
I believe she will be back in Jiu Jitsu with or without your blessings, and it is only a matter of time. If you pull her out, all you do is delay the inevitable and foster unnecessary resentment.
Sorry for not outright killing the thread. Can't stop people's voices.
I just wanted to send a message to Bruce.
Bruce or Cora, if you still read the forum:
No hard feelings. Come back when you are ready. I know I would welcome you back with open arms. I'm sure others would follow suit.
You are a great parent. We can easily move passed this.
We do genuinely believe you are in it for Cora and the kids. We'd love to help you or give you advice where possible. But remember anything you do affects the brand of 10th planet. Eddie and the 10th planet OG's have done a swell job for 10 years and it's our job to uphold this level of excellence moving forward.
Sincerely,
Rick
This!!!!
And this is all you should worry about Bruce...
You really shouldn't be commenting if you don't have children.....so much for building each other up. Mutha fuckas be quick to throw some negativity instead of up build. Yea sure you think Bruce shouldn't really be showing stuff until he has grappled himself. (thats your opinion not law) Let's not forget the story of Grand Master Helio Gracie. Bunch of forum gangsters on here.
Pretty much my take on the situation word for word. Well put. We all have injuries but continue to push forward for the love of the game. I started jits because I had torn my ACL and hated physical therapy. Jitz helped me heal mentally and physically. It was my savior. It could be yours too Bruce...you an Cora both.
I also would like to see bruce come back, it would be an admirable show of humility. Especially after that meme I made. ;)
I thought he was a good guy. A touch overzealous as a parent for my taste but then again i'm an asshole.
it's not just opinion bro, its common sense and decency. Bruce hasn't got the slightest fucking clue about leverage, pressure, passing, control etc, so how can he teach kids anything? Would you trust Bruce to teach your kids arm bars? I sure as shit wouldn't.
People here, myself included, have approached Bruce about this 'extremely' nicely probably 10 times or more and he just ignores it, or talks complete shit and convinces himself he is a mixture of Bruce Lee and Helio Gracie. Sorry to say but Brent was 100% correct. It was a delusion.
Big love Chauncey. :)
oh shit, watch out jason or he'll drum you out of the systems with accusations of beastlity!
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Just fuckin around Mr. Littell . . . Sir.
I started up a new blog called Bluetoblack.me
Basically, I just give my thoughts on BJJ, Nutrition, Training... and soon, I'll be going to recognizable instructors and getting some awesome little how-to's to put up online (free to the public)
Its all good sam we can debate and disagree without it being hate. I can partly agree, i would rather have an instructor who has traversed the path him/herself before they teach me. I was just saying we should take note that someone can teach without out having done it it before to a certain level. We have to look at the fact that Cora is not learning 10p tech from her BJJ school and she doesn't go to a moon. So what were you guys assuming she is learning it on her own, highly doubt it. Bruce is putting the information together and drilling it with her and it seems like he is making sure to get the details. Professor Eddie has said himself "Cora is killing it some of the best rubber guard he's seen". She learned from her father who doesn't roll. Now as she her game evolves she should seek out an instructor that has had more mat time, so the instructor can trouble shoot roll with her and monitor her progress that way. Also yes, we do not want to water down the system with people teaching that aren't qualified themselves, ok he wants to teach. Well the there are steps make a HotBox and there are qualifications for that i.e competing and going to a moon at least once a month. If he doesn't roll then he cant meet them, so there for its not a HotBox, and not part of 10th Planet. Maybe that's why he calls it Jiu-Jitsu 4 FREE. Just look at Cora, sure Bruce can teach kids who don't know jiu jitsu yea sure there only gonna get so much from him but its FREE jiu-jitsu you get what u pay for. But im sure he will plant that jiu-jitsu seed and it will make them seek to go to a real school.
P.S. As for calling him a predator that shit is wack, i dont know him well enough to say weather he is or isnt so i just dont go around throwing accusations like that....that is Internet Bullying at its finest. Internet thugs only thing there tapping is the keyboard.
I'm on the same page as Chauncey. Great post man.
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I believe she has had success with the 10th planet system because she still trains at a proper academy. Do you really think she would be at that level if it was just Bruce teaching her? I certainly don't. Cora understands jiu jitsu.
Plus above all else child safety is the most important thing here. He is not qualified in any way shape or form to teach children. I don't teach kids yet because I have only been instructing adults for 3 months, so I don't feel I am ready. Yet I am a father of 2 (2 boys, 7 and 4 years old) and I train in this sport.
Finally guys, do you really think Cora would know about Eddie/10p if Bruce hadn't exposed her to it? I just don't see everyone at her academy pressing her to 'go check out 10th planet jiu jitsu', especially as some places think we are a bunch of gi hating stoners. Honestly feels like a parent living his/her dreams through their child. Obviously Bruce has done his research and knows 10th planet is the shit and that is commendable, as is his enthusiasm, but for me jiu jitsu is about so much more than just techniques. How can he teach that fighting spirit when he doesn't know what it feels like himself.
As I say, my only real concern is the safety of these kids he wants to take under his wing. Accidents happen, but in the environment he speaks of creating the risks are much higher.
Also lets not forget Bruce has a massive 10th planet logo painted on his garage wall.
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That was pretty douchey, Eric.