Thanks homie. I just have mad reps there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Ray
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Thanks homie. I just have mad reps there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Ray
Brent here are some options to finish from the back knee crush, they aren't all there but some ideas. As you can see from the first finsih, the RNC is right there from the seatbelt grip.
Starts at the 9 min Mark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJUDvwUT6xg
Good stuff. Zog I wanna have your children
Get in line.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrentSmith
My children won't have you!
So are we just putting this one in the maybe column?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Herzog
Can I get like a fast pass or something? I am mentally handicapped even Disneyland gives them out for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon Mccaghren
I wouldn't put you guys throught the agony of having my dna carrying super soldiers destroy your puny mortal shells.Quote:
Originally Posted by rickdawson
I guess Ill just have to seduce Bmac thenQuote:
Originally Posted by Chris Herzog
Zog lost his virginity...before his father did.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrentSmith
Ok so this can't be a have zogs babies thread.. I mean i guess it can.. But.. Lets not. :)
So what's y'all's take on the knot entry from the bottom of mount? Zog you got a vid we could share of this technique so we can discuss the details?
I love it and we drilled it today for the first time in a couple years.. Students loved it and landed it rolling today. Fun times!
Btw this leglock thread is the highlight of the forum to me....
16min Mark:Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Ray
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJUDvwUT6xg
I do it a tad different now, I go hands to the hips not the ribs, then right to the heisman position.
Ive quite enjoyed it myself!Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Ray
I like the knee knot a lot. I def don't have it to a dead zone but I like it. I still dont have it in my muscle memory to reap the knee at all so its going to take some reps to undo the IBJJF damage!
Oh the IBJJF training scars.. Yucky. No worries, they are fixable with many reps! Stay dedicated to the knot, trust me! I've used the knot for many many years and yeah, it's as dead a zone as any when done right. You can literally hold them for hours if you wanted.. Everyone that uses this position agrees.. It's so nasty.
Zog I do it a little different than that also. Essentially the same move though. Hands on hips, and I enter the wedge immediately then I go right into the roll and the knot is tied by the time we finish the roll. Is this how your doin it nowadays? Little diff? I'm not 100% on you names either. Depth change is the roll?
The heisman position with the hand on the tricep (like th heisman escape) and the heel on the hip while on your side is like the NY of RG (hand is on the mat)once there you are ready to move forward and submit. There are basic 4 options:
1) The Cleave-breaking him down into prone position, while you obtain outside wedge, to finsihg.
2)The Depth Charge- this is when they attmept to corkscrew out, hug their knee and swim move as you roll, establish the knee knott, then finish.
3)The Sickle- When the try and stand and Square up break their balance with the right heel on the hip, kick out their far knee with your butterfly hook turn to your inside hip to the knee knot, finish.
4)The Bail Out -(still looking for an actual name)They stand up, square up and attempt to pop you heel off the hip. You switch to a single leg X, Elevate the hips and rotate knee clockwise. Finish as a knee slice pass or to turn to the outside clamp/ straight ankle lock (like the finish in the hail mary warm ups).
...There are more advanced options like the knee compression and knee bars. These are just the ones I start focusing on first.
Im having trouble finishing the Oliveira calf slicer. Does it make more of a difference to finish on top? I have no trouble setting it up and actually was able to set it up about 8 times yesterday but couldnt get the finish
I find it easier.
Ill make that adjustmentQuote:
Originally Posted by Chris Herzog
What was happening Brent?
Ill get ahold of the hips but theyll spin to keep me from getting behind them then, then theyll start to leg press and extend their leg. If that makes any sense. I guess theres a knee bar there since theyre extending their legQuote:
Originally Posted by Sean Applegate
http://youtu.be/kJaBbDIRtPo
I've been working on this
Were you trying the over under on the hips? Or just grabbing the waist? Was his foot on your inside or outside hip? These details will make or break getting the kill at a high percentage.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrentSmith
Finishing on top is the easiest Brent, finishing on the bottom is the worst for your opponent.
I'm going to disagree with Sean, I prefer the seat belt or waist lock regardless of their attempted defense. When you are hip to back there is no space for them to turn or post with a leg. Make sure its not just a "waist lock" its a tight clinch eliminating space. I've played with a variety of grips on it over the years, I like the seat belt the best. However I use the waist lock to climb up to the seat belt if I need assistance climbing up. Once the clinch is secured I can't recall a time that someone has escaped on me. Its that split second in the transition prior to the clinch that you have to watch for them spinning out, keeping their ankle on the inside and controlling the far leg (hip) will help if you are sitting up on them.
Time for more reps! Thanks for the feedback zog! Sometimes, in training, something stops working, so instead of keeping your head down, you try to reinvent the wheel. I'm gonna have to go back and play it some more now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Herzog
Its hard to say in the moment but I think I'm not clinching on the waist enough. I def have the foot on the inside hip. Ill try getting a death grip on the waist lock and rock up. I might be too content trying to finish it on bottom ala Oliveira so I'm going to get some reps in and ill make sure to do perfect reps so I can start nailing this in free rolls. Thanks for the input and I will def let y'all know how its going.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvRv8GYXKNI
5 days without leg lock discussion makes me sad in pants
that looks glorious. i love stuff like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrentSmith
I was there for this!Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew Alexander
I love using the flying scissors. Works well with my whizzer and uchi mata. Wish mine was as good as Reilly's.
i like the grip but i'm worried about the lack of control.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrentSmith
Scott, instead of falling back, could you stand and submit with that grip?Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Yockel
maybe against a complete fish. Standing up would only increase the space between us and increase his chance to get out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toby Shell
Got it, thanks for the response.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Yockel
Maybe can be done with the knot control. It inverted leg control (inverted knot)??
I'm gonna try the grip in couple spot today.
Agreed attacking the submission before the position of control generally leads into an escape. Need to isolate those hips first. I'd like to see it done after control is established, the grip on the foot looks powerful, but if its hard to establish after in a position it'll be low percentage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Yockel
Well said. The rule is position before submission. What that means is the control is everything. That's a standard rule for all subs... I dunno why people treat leglocks differently. No wonder foot locks have the stigma of being "catch style". Ya probably because you don't apply the same philosophy and principles to them that you do all other subs. I can try a RNC (best sub in the book) with no control of hips and even the RNC becomes shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Herzog
Not disagreeing, would just like to add that in Marcelo's latest book, he says position over submission every time except in the case of the RNC. He says if he's on the back and the RNC is open, regardless if two hooks or less, he is attacking the RNC. But then again, this is Marcelo, and if anyone would jump on RNC like that, it'd be Marcelo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Ray