Joey Karate is my manager , ask him, we're taking over the world. Know what im saying?
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Joey Karate is my manager , ask him, we're taking over the world. Know what im saying?
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Originally Posted by Josh Smith
Cheers!
I hate frauds and people that try to take advantage of gyms that are simply not caught up with the BJJ community. I found out that Red Cloud was going around claiming he was a fourth degree BJJ black belt and using 10th Planet as his lineage. He does not have a BJJ black belt and cannot confirm who gave him a black belt. And to clarify, he did not fight on a Triton stacked card. The ref and the judges were all provided by the Oklahoma Athletic Commission. He tapped from strikes. It was as simple as that. It is a huge disrespect for people that put years on the mat to earn their Faixa Preta and some clown just throws it on claiming he is a BB.
If anyone has any questions about Red Cloud that is BJJ related please feel FREE to hit me up on FB or the UG. I know the skinny. You can even give me a call. I'm easy to get a hold of.
I felt it was necessary for Pete to give his side of the story so I gave him the heads up on this thread. Also, you guys can call up Team Noguiera in Tulsa and ask them about Red Cloud and his students if you don't believe Pete.
Once a deceiver always a deceiver. Nice to hear from someone who has first hand experience with this guy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BO-hkkkwPUM
You will have to excuse my performance. I only have full range of motion in one arm. But does it look like the ref was wrong as RC claims?
Double hammer fist! Give this man the WCW strap! XD
+1 hahQuote:
Originally Posted by Dustin Beck
yeah that fight was back in 2007. I just wanted to beat his face in because I was so mad.
Not much for technique when you are pissed.
I hate to break it to you guys, but he has been doing this for years. I dropped in and it took only one of his Muay Thai classes before I figured out he was full of shit. He PERSONALLY told me he is a black belt in BJJ under Rickson, muay thai champ in Thailand, and was a long-time, "personal" student of Bas. I remember an old thread on Sherdog where he was busted on the Bas affiliation. Bas's "little sister" confirmed the only they've had with him was a few phone calls and emails about training with Bas, but they had never met. Oh, and Terry Gibson didn't really teach ground fighting, it was Silat and you should be ashamed of yourself for even using Mr. Gibson's name to further promote your BS.
Red Cloud DID talk alot of smack about Piet, his school, and his family; consequently, Red Cloud was handed his ass by Piet AND one of Piet's students!
Red Cloud has touted himself as a multiple world champion, yet we cannot find an actual record of him winning a single fight.
He has bounced from place to place, teaching in short spurts. Normally, he finds some health club that doesn't know shit about martial arts or fighting, is impressed by a fake belt and name dropping, and he will "teach" there for a few months before they figure out whats up.
He is enthusiastic about being a "fighter", but I, and most of northeastern Oklahoma's BJJ/MMA community hate how he fleeces these unsuspecting people who just want to learn how to defend themselves. What happens if they really invest in this BS, end up in a fight somewhere, and get smashed? What liability does he have?
Just be honest about it. We don't hate him as a person, we just hate what he does to our community. We're all fairly tight knit in the area and love this sport and want to see it grow beyond our wildest expectations, but we hate douchebags who do shit like this. And when they get caught, "Oh, it was just a misunderstanding...."
I think everyone should be allowed to explain themselves. In situations like this it's hard to bounce back from when the evidence is stacked up against you and you become well known and labelled as a pathological liar. These websites didn't just put information up, there was something someone said to have this information posted that Red Cloud has a bjj black belt, or that he trained with Bas Rutten, he won a fight card on one website that sherdog proves he didn't, he won 15 fights and got some sort of belt, etc.. I'm sure that owner Melissa didn't get a misunderstood message that he told her Eddie Bravo managed him. if you asked her she might say "Well he told me Eddie Bravo was his manager, not that he PLANNED on training with him". Those 2 things are way too far apart to be taken as a misunderstanding. Maybe if he said he planned on training and she misunderstood it for just training and said he trained with him...but managed by? come on. that was put in the email to get the sale. And 27 years of jiu jitsu? how consistently?...if i took jiu jitsu 5 years ago and did it for a year...then stopped but trained every once in awhile maybe standup maybe jits every once in awhile, i wouldn't say I took it for 5 years...i'd say I trained for 1 year, 4 years ago! jiu jitsu for 27 years would've been shown in the fight against piet, i think whether it was brazilian or japanese. Whatever, not trying to bag on anyone....I think it's best to be humble and admit when you fucked up especially when you've been caught to this degree.
Uh, yeah you have. Thats why Jimmy and Piet beat yo ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by redcloud.anquoe
You talked mad shit about him, his family, and Triton; I've heard some of it personally.Quote:
Originally Posted by redcloud.anquoe
LOL @ Triton judges, refs, etc.....it was a sanctioned fight, thus all personnel were provided via Oklahoma athletic commission. And you just got smack up in that fight, nothing more, nothing less.
But I do agree with you on one point: Piet IS a dick.
And ladies of gentlemen of the alleged 10th planet (shouldn't it be 9th since Pluto is no longer considered a planet? j/k), this is not just some guy at a bar telling tall tales to pick up a drunk slut, or a kid who think Eddie is cool and is making up stories at school to look cool, this man markets himself as a world class fighter and is taking money in exchange for martial arts training, and is now using your affiliation's name to turn a quick, unethical, and probably illegal profit. He has been outed numerous times for the same stuff, he just uses different names. Cease and desist, anyone? He puts the "bitch" in habitual offender.
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma....1725738&page=1
Redclown? Too bad your not man enough to use your real name... I can handle the name calling. I've heard it before. As for tight knit in Tulsa? HAHAHA....You guys treat anyone who isn't part of your little high school click like trash!! I've had enough of this. it's also not to mature to be putting up old traffic tickets that have been paid off...c'mon, now knuckleheads!! get real...
And, I NEVER ONCE talked smack about Piet's family or him. I do now just because it's happening to me, again. I still show your gym no respect because of you arrogance that the stupid Marines taught you. You still don't know me & never once took the time...Since when does being a BJJ Black Belt seem important anyway? I've seen tons of fighters with little or no training beat the crap out of Brazilian Jiu jitsu Black Belts...
So you never said Piet is a fraud and "many of your students who came from his gym said you can beat his ass"? You never said Piet moved to Tulsa because he couldn't hack it in the Marines? Really?
So why did you fight Jimmy and then Piet? Why would they pick on a nobody like you? Because you ran your mouth and didn't expect to get checked. You better check yoself before you wreck yoself. WORD.
Well, lying about being a BJJ black belt to make money is called FRAUD.Quote:
Originally Posted by redcloud.anquoe
So you never said Piet is a fraud and "many of your students who came from his gym said you can beat his ass"? You never said Piet moved to Tulsa because he couldn't hack it in the Marines? Really? - Redclown.... No dirtbag...I never said any of those things. I remember during the fight with Jimmy that one of his cornermen said " remember what he said about you!" Thats a load of B.S. AND I never said anything about Piet not being able to hack it in the Marines...."You can believe what people tell you, but it's not half as fake as the bitch that told you..." Really, donkey, Really...
So why did you fight Jimmy and then Piet? Why would they pick on a nobody like you? Because you ran your mouth and didn't expect to get checked. I fought Jimmy Johnson & Piet because I wanted too... and I got beat. If I am a nobody, why are you so worried about my life? I'm not the slightest concerned about yours or who you are for that matter... Little boy, get rid of the internet addiction & get a life...You could grow a set a balls and join the service, but that's too manly for you since you can't even use your real name.
Funny, because that is what you told me face to face, damn near verbatim at Reaction Fitness on 51st and Memorial.
So what do you wanna do about it?Quote:
Originally Posted by redcloud.anquoe
Piet Wilhelm isn't a 10th Planet Black belt and I don't see anyone jumpin his ass...or posting his other 2 losses...You guys must have a double-standard.
And stop with this "in the service" shit. You were a sanitation engineer in the navy reserve. I heard you enlisted because the Naxy was full of semen.
What could you do about it besides run your mouth like you've been doing this whole time? Brazilian Jiu jitsu is supposed to be for everybody. If I'm so bad at Brazilian Jiu jitsu why do my students still win?
Piet IS a black belt under Renato Tavares and has NEVER claimed 10th planet affiliation.
I still don't see your real name, coward.
lmfao!Quote:
Originally Posted by redcloud.anquoe
My name is Pit, and your ass ain't talking your way out of this shit.
hehehehehehehehe
Once again, the only reason "Triton" is being mentioned on this forum is because my name was brought up... Let's see if you can be man enough to leave me the F**K alone!! If I'm so unimportant, If I'm not a threat...then walk away!!
Is your first name Arm?
Sounds like a dicktuck to me, chump.Quote:
Originally Posted by redcloud.anquoe
I'm sorry...I could do this all day, but I have a life.... Take it easy, and I wish you the best in whatever you do.
I think Piet and Triton owe all of their success on Piet defeating such a highly regarded contender such as yourself.
Yeah, good luck with your scams, Squanto.Quote:
Originally Posted by redcloud.anquoe
As a Native American, I've worked very hard to preserve our culture and find it offensive that one of my people would represent us so poorly.