The GI is dead?

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Originally Posted by Tyler Timmermans

I have a novice question ,if you purposely freak out and try your hardiest in the Gi wont your opponent have fucked up fingers after?

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Yes.

Finally made it through to page 12.... *whew*

So here is the question; If you had one years time to prepare for a life or death MMA match (loser dies) against an elite wrestler who was going to take you down and ground and pound you, how much time would you spend training in the gi for this fight?

If anyone can tell me why they would spend any time at all training in a gi for this match I would love to hear it.

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Originally Posted by Tyler Timmermans

I have a novice question ,if you purposely freak out and try your hardiest in the Gi wont your opponent have fucked up fingers after?

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Your fingers become callus, but there's no harm of them breaking if you are using legal grips. Illegal grips, such as putting fingers in a cuff sleeve, are illegal because they put your fingers in danger.

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Originally Posted by Martin Harris

Finally made it through to page 12.... *whew*

So here is the question; If you had one years time to prepare for a life or death MMA match (loser dies) against an elite wrestler who was going to take you down and ground and pound you, how much time would you spend training in the gi for this fight?

If anyone can tell me why they would spend any time at all training in a gi for this match I would love to hear it.

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I'd train wrestling.

What I find interesting about Marcelo, probably top 3 all time is the only times he has been subbed is by moves he doesnt usually teach or do

Jacare got him with a kimura, Drysdale with a Darce and Estima with a triangle

He does catch a triangle here and there, but even in his book he talked about wanting to be a triangle master early on but than realized it wasn't going to be as efficient or something because of his body type

When Marcelo showed Darce defense and he joked about losing to Drysdale saying that was a $30,000 mistake!

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Originally Posted by Joseph Hachey

I'd train wrestling.

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LOL, can't tell if you're serious, that's like saying if you had one year to prepare for an MMA match against Marcelo you would train jiu jitsu.

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Originally Posted by Liquidrob

What I find interesting about Marcelo, probably top 3 all time is the only times he has been subbed is by moves he doesnt usually teach or do

Jacare got him with a kimura, Drysdale with a Darce and Estima with a triangle

He does catch a triangle here and there, but even in his book he talked about wanting to be a triangle master early on but than realized it wasn't going to be as efficient or something because of his body type

When Marcelo showed Darce defense and he joked about losing to Drysdale saying that was a $30,000 mistake!

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Good point.

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Originally Posted by Joseph Hachey

Talent is basically the effectiveness of effort. You seem to be putting in a lot of effort and spinning your wheels, so you must not have much talent.

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:)

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Originally Posted by Brandon Mccaghren

Joseph and David, y'all should take the pecker measuring to a private message and leave the forum to civil discussion. Y'all are both being pretty ridiculous to each other.

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Done. :)

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Originally Posted by Joseph Hachey

Your fingers become callus, but there's no harm of them breaking if you are using legal grips. Illegal grips, such as putting fingers in a cuff sleeve, are illegal because they put your fingers in danger.

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Well other then that i can't really see the harm in training GI, but to only train GI for MMA would be a bit weird.

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Originally Posted by David Rosado

Good point.



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Done. :)

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How did you quote multiple posts like that?

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Originally Posted by Tyler Timmermans

I have a novice question ,if you purposely freak out and try your hardiest in the Gi wont your opponent have fucked up fingers after?

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YES, Broken fingers, dislocations, tendinitis, arthritis all are common in the grip battle. Broken fingers and more dislocations than I can count. I can't grapple at all without taping up my wrists now due to the arthritis.

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Originally Posted by Brandon Mccaghren

I'd also like to throw out the idea that BJJ for self defense is a pretty unrealistic situation in America. BJJ for a one-on-one, unarmed gentlemen's agreement works awesome. That's how all of it was done in those Gracie In Action videos.

Y'all ever seen a one-on-one fight last more than about 30 seconds? His buddies usually show up with broken beer bottles and cowboy boots to stomp your skull if it goes that long. At least that's the way it is down here. Ain't no gentlemen's agreements in the south :)

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+1

And if you go further south, i.e. Mexico, you don't wanna know that shit that goes down. lol

http://www.mmafighting.com/2014/3/15...g-power-in-ufc

You guys will love this, one of the keys to Johnny Hendrixs power was training in the gi and developing his grip strength says his trainer

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Originally Posted by Brandon Mccaghren

How did you quote multiple posts like that?

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Right next to "reply with quote" there's a little speech bubble. When you click it, you get a little check. That check means it's selected for multi quote. And then when you're done clicking, for the last post you wanna quote, just click "reply with quote" and you'll see all the posts you selected in your reply box. Does that make sense?

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Originally Posted by Chris Herzog

YES, Broken fingers, dislocations, tendinitis, arthritis all are common in the grip battle. Broken fingers and more dislocations than I can count. I can't grapple at all without taping up my wrists now due to the arthritis.

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Man, my hands were sore for months, I just let go now and grab another grip when guys start breaking gi grips on me, I had a dude almost fall over when he went two hands and just tried to rip my collar grip off, Iol, I was like, you can have it, I'm cool

Haven't read the whole thread (14 pages?!?!) but it was a fun interview by Eddie - the problem I have with his argument is that it assumes the point of learning Jiu Jitsu is to to make Jiu Jitsu work in MMA competitions. In reality the vast majority of people do BJJ in da Gi for….. BJJ in da Gi…..! i.e. because they enjoy it for what it is. Gi is a lot of fun.

Interview with man on his death bead:

"Of all of the things I wish I would have done more in life... I'd wish I would have debated gi vs nogi more"

- Anonymous

http://www.bjjee.com/wp-content/uplo...4/03/John1.png

Dat grip strength be knocking fools out!

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Originally Posted by Liquidrob

http://www.mmafighting.com/2014/3/15...g-power-in-ufc

You guys will love this, one of the keys to Johnny Hendrixs power was training in the gi and developing his grip strength says his trainer

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Is this real life? You have got to be kidding me.
"Another key to the training is to grapple in a gi. While on the surface, no gi grappling would seem to be more effective for an MMA fight, given that's the circumstances you fight under, it's the hand fighting and constant holding and tugging of the gi in long sessions that builds the necessary grip strength and grip stamina."

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Originally Posted by brianspinaltap

Haven't read the whole thread (14 pages?!?!) but it was a fun interview by Eddie - the problem I have with his argument is that it assumes the point of learning Jiu Jitsu is to to make Jiu Jitsu work in MMA competitions. In reality the vast majority of people do BJJ in da Gi for….. BJJ in da Gi…..! i.e. because they enjoy it for what it is. Gi is a lot of fun.

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Then you don't have a problem with his argument.

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Originally Posted by Martin Harris

Is this real life? You have got to be kidding me.
"Another key to the training is to grapple in a gi. While on the surface, no gi grappling would seem to be more effective for an MMA fight, given that's the circumstances you fight under, it's the hand fighting and constant holding and tugging of the gi in long sessions that builds the necessary grip strength and grip stamina."

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How many world champs have you trained?

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Originally Posted by Liquidrob

http://www.mmafighting.com/2014/3/15...g-power-in-ufc

You guys will love this, one of the keys to Johnny Hendrixs power was training in the gi and developing his grip strength says his trainer

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There is no possible way he actually thinks this.

Is his trainer a BJJ black belt?

I'd like to know how much gi Mike Tyson did :)

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Originally Posted by Brandon Mccaghren

There is no possible way he actually thinks this.

Is his trainer a BJJ black belt?

I'd like to know how much gi Mike Tyson did :)

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Little known fact, Iron Mike had a nasty spider guard!

Also, I'd like to extend a thank you to you guys for helping me pass a lot of empty time today as I soak up sun out beside a lake. I've literally done nothing at all except relax and laugh at this thread all day.

Except eat a hamburger with no bun. I did do that earlier.

No problem Brandon, I was bored at work today and thought I would mix it up a bit

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Originally Posted by Liquidrob

How many world champs have you trained?

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Admittedly I have trained zero world champions but you have to agree that there are far more effective ways to train grip strength and stamina; otherwise every rock climber in the world would be training in the gi. He made no mention of any other benefit of gi training.

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Originally Posted by Liquidrob

Little known fact, Iron Mike had a nasty spider guard!

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In all seriousness, if this trainer was right there would be a lot of boxers training in the gi. Anatomically, it makes no sense at all. The strength of your grip literally has nothing to do with anything that makes a punch powerful.

Was he knocking chumps out before he started training in the gi?

This particular argument makes me wanna kill myself. I know I'm gonna have to hear it for years from forum dwelling white belts who repeat whatever they hear from their Sherdog retard peers.

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Originally Posted by Martin Harris

Admittedly I have trained zero world champions but you have to agree that there are far more effective ways to train grip strength and stamina; otherwise every rock climber in the world would be training in the gi. He made no mention of any other benefit of gi training.

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Actually, I have no idea on the effects of grip training of punching power, but to think that training in the gi isn't a huge factor in developing grip strength and endurance is crazy talk, pretty much all gi players have amazing grip strength

Eddie even commented on Marcelo's nasty grip after there roll, Marcelo has barely lifted at all, how do you think he developed that grip? Go train with a seasoned Gi player, they will grip you to death!

Training in the Gi is a great way to develop grip strength, its also effiecent because you are grappling and doing your grips at the same time, no need to work on extra gripping excercises if thats your thing

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Originally Posted by Liquidrob

http://www.mmafighting.com/2014/3/15...g-power-in-ufc

You guys will love this, one of the keys to Johnny Hendrixs power was training in the gi and developing his grip strength says his trainer

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^^This is retarded!!!^^

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.n...28041442_n.jpg

Johnny is a 3 time state camp, 4 time All American and a 2x National champion. His power came from wrestling. Like all wrestlers at this caliber they all have explosive power.

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Originally Posted by Liquidrob

Training in the Gi is a great way to develop grip strength, its also effiecent because you are grappling and doing your grips at the same time, no need to work on extra gripping excercises if thats your thing

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Not disputing it will increase your grip strength but in my opinion it is not efficient. If you are using the gi for grips while training you are not training for an MMA fight.

All this talk has me interested in Hendricks ground game. I'm going to study some of his fights and see if he ever grips his hands for anything other than a punch :)

Just doing a quick search, looks like a lot of people think grip training really helps for boxing, mostly for injury prevention of your hands and just overall strength in your hands for punching

The power of the Gi!

Just did a quick search, looks like lots of people believe Elvis is still alive.

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Elvis wore a gi also, made his dance moves much tighter

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Originally Posted by Liquidrob

Elvis wore a gi also, made his dance moves much tighter

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Lol +1

You're a good sport :)

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Originally Posted by Brandon Mccaghren

Just did a quick search, looks like lots of people believe Elvis is still alive.

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Lol. I seen you pull somebody jaw bone off...I seent it. You used to be ruthless.

Liquidrob = Renato.

Minds explode. It all makes sense now.

Have you ever seen them both in the same room together? I didn't think so.

Can we all agree that if you want to be good at BOTH Gi and No-gi (and self defense and MMA that Marcelo's strategy of having a unified game that works for both makes a lot of sense? I don't care about who said what or who took what out of context or moving goalposts, or whatever. The point is obvious right?

This matters to me because this conclusion is one that's been building in my mind for quite a while and confirmation that it makes sense at least to Marcelo is pretty cool.

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Originally Posted by Liquidrob

Elvis Presley. Datch guy... he's a gootch guy. When he dance he gonna moves his hip...he gonna hip eshcape. Elvis Presley, he wore the gi also, made his dance moves much tighter. Everything comes from the gi. Everything comes from Brazil.

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Well, since I switched over to the Gi my nickname lately has been Master Hob

You may be on to something...

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Originally Posted by Brandon Mccaghren

The strength of your grip literally has nothing to do with anything that makes a punch powerful.
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Actually I have heard quite a bit that grip strength can in fact help punching, but more in the way that it makes the punches sharper by keeping a relaxed fist and just before impact clenching the fist which would make them faster.I remember first hearing it in the countdown for Jens Pulver vs Uriah Faber , jens was doing mad crazy grip training and explained a little bit.

Soooo I wouldn't doubt to much that training Gi would help increase grip strength which in turn makes your punches more "powerful" but I will doubt that a blue belt has trained enough Gi to make a difference, now if marcelo knew how to throw a punch properly I would bet he can sleep people with his grip strength