Radar beats Hall! 2 wins for Radar, not one submission attempt in either matches!!!!
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Radar beats Hall! 2 wins for Radar, not one submission attempt in either matches!!!!
I was talking about winning by takedowns. And Raider didnt have shit against Hall this match. Those 2 points were BS. Raider was defending the entire time not one single second of offenseQuote:
Originally Posted by Gray
Until today they hadn't fought since purple belt though. Both of their games are very different now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gray
I agree. Rader was literally running in a lot of the match. Hall had some tight sub attempts. Rader does not tap though...not to leglocks or armlocks. I'm sure his left knee will be sore after this. Looked like the takedown happened out of bounds. Sucks for Ryan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brent Smith
I'm surprised how good this tourney has been. I was dissapointed when Cobrinha, JT, Frazzato, Grippo, and Glover couldn't make it.
Great matches so far. Im really impressed with this tourney
Has Hall really changed that much? He got more into 50/50 and spiral, but his game is pretty much the same. He just can't beat wrestlers because his wrestling isn't good enough for him to score points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Nall
If anything Rader has gotten better since their last matches, he no longer nearly gets his limbs broken every match.
Lol I'm guessing you're not watching this tourney. His knee cant feel good tomorrowQuote:
Originally Posted by Gray
I am, I meant at purple that used to happen every match. Nowadays it only happens half the time lol
Samuel Braga beats Fowler 8 to 2
Raider is a beast. I could see him winning it all nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Gray
Yeah, I could see him winning this tournament without attempting one submission. What a joke. I like Rose Gracie's rules!Quote:
Originally Posted by Brent Smith
Rader is definitely much improved. Ryan had a period where he got very into his passing and top game. Like you were seeing brabo/darce chokes finished by mounting the guy, or he would take the back and RNC. I'm surprised he went back to the 50/50 honestly as he stepped away from it for a while. His top guillotines and arm triangles are crazy good too. Shit he even has a good twisterQuote:
Originally Posted by Gray
Like here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ij8ZRmpo5U
Hall just can't find a gameplan that he can beat the upper echelon of his weight class with, that's why I think he fluctuates so much. I am, admittedly a Hall hater, so my haterade probably blinds me a bit.
The gameplan that seemed to fit him the best was the one Glover used in 2011 at the ADCC Trials and at ADCC. Use leglocks and inverted and spiral guard to sweep and then pass to KOB, work for guillotines, darces, triangles, and back attacks. Glover toasted almost everyone with that and when Hall was playing that strong passing game to chokes/back attacks like n that video above he looked as good as hes ever lookedQuote:
Originally Posted by Gray
why dont you like hall just curous?
Holy fuck at Rader x Braga
SICK....Awesome!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Nall
i just got off work and bummed i missed denny's match but
this:
http://i.imgur.com/IsNpH.jpg
was friggin insane!!!!!
I just think he is a severely overrated grappler, everytime he competes people act like he is going to win, and he never even places. His biggest win was at trials years ago, but people act like he's a world champ contender. I hate on him more because everyone loves him than because I don't like him as a person/grappler.
And Glovers gameplan at trials mostly worked so well because he was so much better than everyone else, that might have been the weakest trials in the US. I think Hall just needs wrestling if he ever wants to hit that upper echelon, buy throughout the years there has been no noticeable change in it.
True on Glover but he made it work at ADCC too. He wrecked Tom Barlow by like double digit points. He beat Mark Ramos in less than 2 mins with a darce and subbed Robson with a guillotine. Glover upped is wrestling too and it showed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gray
I understand. People hate on him (Hall) real bad on the UG.
i might get shit for this, but if Glover trained as hard as he did last year for adcc, I think he's as good as anyone at that weight, and Cobrinha and Rafa are 2 of a small handfull I think that could really give him problems when he's focused I think he's very underrated as crazy as it sounds
I was so sure a twister was going to come out of this situationQuote:
Originally Posted by Alex Canders
Totally agree, Glover has had amazing success as an extremely lazy athlete. When I first met him my mind was blown by how lazy he can be. Hopefully ADCC last year turns a new leaf in his life
I really root for Hall because I like his style. Plus his DVDs are awesome so I cant help but root for him. I didnt know people hated on himQuote:
Originally Posted by Gray
ahaha they were just talking about them being disappointed Renato couldnt make it for this tournament
lol at renato shout out and his "sponsor problems"
That was great! Almost as cool as Rader's using the truck to almost get a submission via calf crank.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Canders
I believe within the past year he still forgot to pay his cell phone bill. Dude is a nut and his talent level is ridiculous. He said for ADCC 2011 he didn't even drill or roll Jits anymore than normal. He said he just ate well and did strength & conditioning and that was it. Then he just went out in great shape focused with Lloyd Irvin in the corner and looked better than ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gray
I think Hall can pick up some wrestling at Marcelo's. That's a good fit for him, and I think it will make him a better competitor.
Swamp walk?
Damn I slept on Celsinho.
Come on....Rader wasn't outbounds before he got pulled back onto the mat? He was into the audience!
I missed a chunk of the Raider/Cels. Anybody want to give me a recap?
They stood up and wrestled the entire march. Boring as fuck
Thats what I got to see. Raider is tough but how many people could he beat without points?Quote:
Originally Posted by brent_littell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFf-hcqoS_0Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack LaBarge
This match is 3 videos. This is part 2 (second video). Go to about 8:15....when all the shit went down. The score at the time was 0-0
Looks legit to me. Shouldnt have stopped defending just cause he thought they were out of bounds. Looks like he might have stepped barely onto the carpet before Cels pulled him back in
Rader was into,against the ref (blue shirt dude) out of bounds. The ref could have inserted his penis. You can't see their feet at that time. IMO he was driven forward or pulled in when you see his feet in bounds.
Its so dam close to the edge. Its hard to tell...
Looks right on the edge from what I can tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack LaBarge
Holy Shit that guy is FAST. never seen someone that quick, those pass's are slick
what match was thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Brent Smith