First Mir and now Magalhaes??!

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Originally Posted by Brent Smith

I think what GSP was referring to was how he is able to close that gap.

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Which is what makes his takedowns so high percentage. His ability to get to the hips.

Here is the article. He talks about his timing and his ability to get in to the hips comes from karate. He says his wrestling is utilized after he gets the leg.
http://www.mmatorch.com/artman2/publ...le_16610.shtml

Now obviously he is a good wrestler, but karate plays a huge part of what he does that most people would just call wrestling.

I think it's pretty safe to say that his jj plays a roll in his ground game as well.

I guess my point is, the more complete the fighter, the better every attribute he has becomes. As the sport evolves maybe we will see some crazy jiu jitsu hybrid fighter that uses multiple martial arts to make his jj work the way gsp puts everything together to make his wrestling work.

Something to look forward to for sure :)

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Originally Posted by Liquidrob

Striking without takedown defense (wrestling) won't get you far

Wrestling without bjj will get you subbed

Bjj without the ability to get it to the ground will lead to losses

The Strikers and Wrestlers have done a better job overall adapting there game

There are also other factors like judging, gloves, round length, stand ups, etc...that have hurt the BJJ guys

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Good post.

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Originally Posted by Jack LaBarge

GSP is a wrestler. His wrestling credentials is his MMA fights nobody gets the takedowns as good as him. GSP is not dominating his opponents with his BJJ.

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Gsp is not a wrestler. Gsp is a mixed martial artist. Cyborg Abreu won a national wrestling championship and he barely knew the rules. Cyborg is not a wrestler. Wrestlers don't fight to stifle guards. Gsp is not a wrestler. He's a mixed martial artist. He is dominating opponents with BJJ. He's able to get it to the ground with wrestling. He mixes it together. Mixed martial artist.

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Is Maia the best example you guys can come up with? Sad. Maia has only 1 submission win since 2009. Losing twice to 2 wrestlers also. But I do understand the point you were making. Eddie talks about it all the time. The next generation of fighters will be great at every aspect of fighting. Less specialist, just complete warriors!

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It is sad that more BJJ players haven't adapted their games to MMA. But factoring the years of him trying to be Andy Hug is a weak ass argument, Jack. Damian has proven that bjj is very dangerous when employed. He tooled Sonnen like a white belt. His two losses to wrestlers were kickboxing matches that he didn't even try to take to the ground. But his last three performances are great examples. All three against serious wrestlers. You should watch them and not just use irrelevant finish stats.

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Maia vs. Fitch fight I keep hearing about. If that fight hits the ground I would expect Maia to dominate Fitch. So is it really that huge of a win. Of course its mma and these things don't always happen. Maia is a multiple time World Champion in bjj. Fitch, a walk on at a d1 college, ends his college wrestling career with a losing record. Gets his bjj bb in 5 years. Of all the former wrestlers (mma)that have a black belts in bjj. Fitch is the only one I consider a true jiu jitsu guy over his wrestling. IMO Fitch is not elite in wrestling or bjj. I'll pick the adcc champ on the ground. I'm just rambling at this point

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Yes it's that huge of a win. Tell me who has ever dominated Fitch? GSP. A Hendricks left hand. Maia. And the fight didn't hit the ground. Maia forced it there. And he hept it there. Yes it's that huge of a win.

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If you can take down a National Wrestling Champion at will. You are a great Wrestler! I don't care if its karate timing its still a Wraslin move!!! Again he's not dominating his opponents with his bjj.;)

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If a boxer can KO a Muay Thai guy in Muay Thai rules, it doesn't make them a great Muay Thai guy. And I disagree. He may be using wrestling to take it down, but it's all BJJ on the ground.

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Originally Posted by Jared Gammel

>>implying that's not where that marketing is coming from..

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Haha no not at all. I would think Alan would have more integrity than that. Just with the way he is pushing it so hard, the constant spamming of emails etc, it kinda feels like a Lloyd Irvin/Avellan product. :)

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Originally Posted by sean applegate

Which is what makes his takedowns so high percentage. His ability to get to the hips.

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Touche

#3rdOption #pullguard #pullhalf #pullquarter #pullbutterfly #pullguillotine

My 2 pennies worth... If your a bb of Vinnies calibre, try to get the fight to the ground anyway you can. Personally I wouldn't have been content to lose a kickboxing match if I had Vinnies credentials. I would liked to have seen more effort in dragging the fight to the ground one way or another.

As for BJJ in MMA, it is simple... not enough people Mastering The System, available for only $5 a month at 10thplanetjj.com :cool:

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Originally Posted by Josh Bodmon

One thing I noticed which has been going on forever but was apparent in this particular fight was that when it comes to the ground, the fight favours the person on top. In bjj if you establish some grip and pull guard, if your opponent stands up, they must engage or are penalized. If at any point you stand up from ground fighting, you can almost always step away and have the ref stand the fight up, which essentially is a disadvantage to the better ground guy.

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Absolutely.

Marketing is marketing. LI's douchebaggery doesn't nullify marketing tactics that may or may not be silimair to the tactics he used. Lets not forget that the marketing strategies existed before LI was using them. He learned them from somewhere else.

Lumping everyone into the same catagory and judging them for using the same successful marketing strategies that LI used is as silly as lumping anyone into the same catagory because they wear the same kind of pants that LI wears.

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Originally Posted by Kurzy

Marketing is marketing. LI's douchebaggery doesn't nullify marketing tactics that may or may not be silimair to the tactics he used. Lets not forget that the marketing strategies existed before LI was using them. He learned them from somewhere else.

Lumping everyone into the same catagory and judging them for using the same successful marketing strategies that LI used is as silly as lumping anyone into the same catagory because they wear the same kind of pants that LI wears.

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Who is lumping him in the same category as Lloyd Irvin? I just said the marketing felt the same, which it does. Just my opinion.
I certainly never implied Alan is the same kind of guy as that piece of shit Lloyd. That is completely taking my words out of context. I like Alan Belcher. Have stated that many times.

I will however agree that the 'marketing tactics' Lloyd has been using have been used for years. Long before Lloyd and the rest of his con artist buddies come along. However IMO spamming the absolute shit out of your fans certainly isn't the way to go.

Like I say, just my opinion. :)