Would you do roids?

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Originally Posted by Tom Carbone

Taking steroids and taking TRT are two different discussions but I don't believe either of them are safe. So are you asking because you're just curious or are you actually considering trying steroids or TRT?

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Its refreshing to hear a guy who is absolutely jacked have this opinion about roiding :)

I wouldnt take them. If you asked me, which do you prefer:

1.) being on roids qnd tapping out someone who is not?
2.) not being on roids and tapping out someone who is?

For me its a no brained, I pick #2 any day. Call me old school, but i prefer poppey strength vs Lou Ferrigno strength any day.

For the record though, everyone is free to have their own opinion on it. Just stating my personal beliefs.

I thought everyone was on them....I certainly eat them everyday.

I have never taken anything like that before but I will supplement with Creatine for a couple months here and there.
One guy I work with was telling me I should look into peptides, but I don't feel like researching them when I have no intention of using them.
He swears it strengthened his immune system. He was suffering from a severe autoimmune disease that manifests itself as extreme athritis. It was really fucking him up. He was in his thirties and couldn't even get off the couch, he as was totally decrepit. He lost all his muscle mass, etc.
Now his lifting heavy and he is fit and he swears he has peptides to thank for it, and tells me they are either natural or close to natural. Again, I have not researched it.

I think having an open mind is vital when talking about this. I want to be the best athlete/Jiu Jitsu fighter I can be. If there is something available to supplement your goals in those areas idk why you wouldn't at least explore them. I would definitely do it if it was somewhat natural and could be done in a regulated, good way. I don't think it's "cheating" either. What about us tiny people man? We could use a little bit of a boost if it was decently healthy and legal. I always fight big girls. I would use if I found one that was going to suite me with minimal side effects and no needles.

parrot fish are a type of steroid...scaroid?? oh ok..same thing..

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Originally Posted by Brandon Mccaghren

The question was if they are

Legal, socially acceptable, and administered under the care of a professional.

Y'all are bringing up social issues. He excludes those in the initial question. Which is one of the reasons I answered "absolutely."

The only moral hang up left would be the idea of cheating. But cheating is breaking rules. Do any grappling organizations say that PEDs are cheating? IBJJF tests the Black Belts. Any others?

And I hear people talk about how they wanna be a "natural" athlete. Is there really any such thing? These same "natural" athletes take ungodly amounts of protein, caffeine, creatine, etc... There's nothing natural about getting jacked up on that pre-workout stuff so you can lift in a gym that a dude in the favelas doesn't have access to. Don't we all come equipped with our own set of advantages? That's the exciting part of sports. The idea of a level playing field is a fallacy. It can't exist.

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BMac that was almost prophetic brotha, I'm in awe of the whole response. Good stuff!

I found this reading definitely enlightening and insightful:

Ethical Debate:
http://www.t-nation.com/training/ste...rth-of-a-demon

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How a Pro Body Builder uses them and has seen others use them:
http://tnation.t-nation.com/free_onl...ith_shadow_pro

Bottom line Stroids make a difference. But I am still not into using them myself, although I don't judge others though as long as they are open and honest about what they are using.

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Originally Posted by Tori Applegate

I would use if I found one that was going to suite me with minimal side effects and no needles.

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This.

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