everyone in ok already knows that red cloud is the biggest fraud in the state..... now everyone else is learning that too.
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everyone in ok already knows that red cloud is the biggest fraud in the state..... now everyone else is learning that too.
Wow..this is unbelievably epic for such a young board...this is archive worthy...however, I have a question?
Ok..so what is your true BJJ lineage? How much time did you actually train in BJJ and under whom? If you have 1 year 4 months training in BJJ you should have achieved about a blue belt. Are you still teaching? I do not think a blue belt should be teaching anyone BJJ without a brown overseeing it, much less opening up a school. My biggest problem is that you are teaching BJJ and you hardly have a grasp of it yourself. Your website is extremely misleading. It implies that these people are getting training from someone able to instruct them. Now don't get me wrong, there are plenty of BJJ clubs that roll and teach with coaches that are blues and what not, but they are usually free and at gyms and colleges.
Oh snap, its MMA sensation Colin "The Money Shot" Bohbrink, goddayum!
lol!!! when have your "students" won anything? when they show up at other peoplel's academies with their total lack of gym edicate they get completely tooled by the white belts.Quote:
Originally Posted by redcloud.anquoe
I would disagree to some of this. Master Eddie has approved several purple belts as affiliates in the tpjj system who do an awesome jobQuote:
Originally Posted by RaiderFunk
master eddie thinks this red cloud guy is a douche. reminds me of that southpark episode where cartman gets scott tennerman's favorite band to show up and tell him how much they hate his guts. lol!!! eddie please go to this fraud's school and teach him a lesson he won't forget!
The only claims I am going off of were from his self made Bio. All this other stuff between Triton and Red Cloud, though funny, is kind of besides the point. The Triton guys are too biased for their anecdotes to be a relevant source of information and they haven't provided any cite-able information that lies in conflict with any public claims that Red Cloud has made.Quote:
Originally Posted by RaiderFunk
From his bio Red Cloud never states a BJJ lineage. He claims a Japanese jujitsu background but then conveniently respells jujitsu as "jiujitsu" elsewhere on his website (which I don't like at all). He also name drops several big names such as Rickson Gracie, Bas Rutten, and Dan Inosanto but never states a specific time frame or how long he trained under those specific people. He also states that he's a member of the Rickson Gracie Association while never bothering to mention that the membership is just for an open access (essentially, the paid privilege to pay the drop in fee at a Rickson school) to an official Rickson school and that has has nothing to do with being a Rickson Gracie Representative. We can all join the Rickson Association if we wanted to.
I'm sorry bro...I meant purple belts...seriously...a 4 stripe purple teaches our classes sometimes...I miss-spokeQuote:
Originally Posted by frank-theman-james
Ok, let's not forget this message. Redcloud...you came on here to explain yourself. You have to explain this "misunderstanding" that this Melissa Drywater said in this message. You said it was a misunderstanding. You must've told her some of these things for her to advertise this, unless she did ALL the bsing herself. Mr. Red Cloud has trained under the Gracie brothers and Frank Shamrock. He has trained in Jiu Jitsu for the last 27 years. As an MMA fighter, he is managed by Eddie Bravo. Which Gracie brothers? Did you REALLY train with Frank Shamrock? I didn't see any of this on the self made bios online, so you must've told her those 2 things. Is that the truth? Do any Gracies or Frank Shamrock know who you are? Did you tell her the truth which was "I plan on training with Eddie Bravo". She must've known you do MMA since you work at Dawg Pound with her, how did she get the idea that you were MANAGED by Eddie Bravo AS AN MMA FIGHTER??? those two are not even close to the same thing. you are 35 or something right...so you've done jiu jitsu non stop for 27 years since you were 8? I thought it said Tracy's Wing Chun Kung Fu at age 8....That's not jiu jitsu.. You got a lot of holes to your story...Can you patch them up? I seriously have to know how the owner got the term "managed by eddie bravo" from you telling her "I plan on training with him". Explain that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo
Bullshit. what bjj blackbelts did you see beat, and stupid marines, wtf man, do you feel it necessary topiss everyone off? I will consider my getting a blue belt in bjj a big deal, its hard work. Put in the work and then say it isn't a big deal palQuote:
Originally Posted by redcloud.anquoe
"since when does being a bjj black belt seem important anyway?"
that in itself is the problem. red cloud does not understand the importance of this because he doesn't understand the hard work that goes into that. for him it's much easier to just lie about it.
Speak it Mike! tell him what you think... Don't hold back! ;)
guys it sounds like we need to organize a 10th p dojo storm!!!
The other thing is he is misleading the public. I'm sorry but no one would train with you if they knew you had no formal BJJ or Muay Thai training. The reason people are so pissed is this stuff was rampant with Karate and TKD and now it is starting to happen with BJJ. Dudes are watching UFC and/or getting DVDs then lying about their rank and start teaching classes. Dudes teaching aerobics and spinning and kettle bell are now saying that the teach muay thai or BJJ....heck...Gold's Gyms are starting to put Cages in their locations. People with false credentials show up and start trying to train classes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colin Bohbrink
One horror story I heard was a guy who ranked to blue belt in one of these spots. He was promoted purely on taking a certain amount of classes then visited another spot and was getting tapped within seconds by no stripe white belts. He visited the other location because the instructor insisted that he not compete in tournaments and what not.
This is the email I got from him (Redcloud) today:
"Josh,
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I appreciate your help in trying to clear my name.* Unfortunately,* I can no longer continue with 10th Planet Jiu jitsu after being advised by my ROTC Cadre that it could be frowned upon having a known marijauna advocate as a Martial Arts instructor.* Piet & his goons got on the forum & are talking mad shit about my name as usual.* I wish you the best & give you mad respect...
If you would kindly notify the 10th Planet website to delete my account, that would be appreciated.
*
See you down range,"
This speaks volumes to me! I tried to be positive and giving him the benefit of a doubt but it seems like I was wrong. Sorry guys! I need to learn that if it walks like a douchebag, talks like a douchebag and most people agree that it's a douchebag, then it must be so! That is by far the lamest excuse I have ever heard! There's a little thing called the first amendment of the united states constitution and it gives you the right to express your opinion freely. I'm done with this shit!
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Told ya.
lmfao!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by josh smith
Why? It's obvious he doesn't learn or stop even when he gets his ass utterly curb stomped. No, the best thing you can do is try and get the word that out that hes a fraud as much as possible. And maybe make a post over at http://www.bullshido.net/forums/Quote:
Originally Posted by Colin Bohbrink
He isn't open minded enough to be apart of the 10th Planet Family. He is just throwing a hissy fit, cause he wants to be one of us so badly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh Smith
I did 10 years in the Military and taught/instructed ROTC cadets for like a year before I made CPT. If he is really a CADET...they would frown upon his lack of integrity....Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh Smith
How do we know you're not simply someone with an axe to grind?Quote:
Originally Posted by Piet Wilhelm
I am confused here. He did not fight on the card, but then he tapped from strikes. On which card did he tap? If I am mistaken, I apologize.Quote:
Originally Posted by Piet Wilhelm
already going there to post it...this guy is an absolute fraud....Quote:
Originally Posted by Douglas White
that redcloud guy is a tool douchebag fucking idiot. sorry...but a closed minded moron who lives in a fantasy world where he actually believes he's a champion. I mean yeah, he's stepped in the cage 7 times even though he lost, i'll give him that, but still amongst the lying and excuses....that's ridiculous "I'm allergic to ganja but eddie's book talks about things i'm willing to try". and now you can't associate with him because he smokes weed? SOOOOO STUPID. i feel sorry for the people taking his class only because he could be teaching his own self made system snf likely teaching people ineffective incorrect techniques.....fool you are a 35 year old adult..man up to your faults
He fought, but it wasn't a "Triton stacked card". It was a sanctioned show under the supervision of the Oklahoma State Athletic Commission, he is just making excuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ian "ifreez" Freemantle
I Think this thread has ran its course. I say we stick a fork in it.
Seems like u still are -- to make your way all the way to this thread to bury the guy more.. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Piet Wilhelm
So why make an account just to bury the guy?Quote:
Originally Posted by RedClown
*bong rips a bowl of huckabee*
RIP Red Clown.
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Originally Posted by Jeff Vale
aaaaamen!
In nomine patre et fili spiritu sancti
You're pretty ate up with this, huh Ian?
Dude, there are 10th Planet affiliates with actively running school that are blue belts and they're Legit! Brandon McCaghren & Jon Helton are two of them... Everyone's entitled to their opinion but these guys put in their time to earn their rank so they should get compensated to help others earn theirs... Just my humble opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by RaiderFunk
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Originally Posted by RedClown
So why make an account just to bury the guy?Quote:
Originally Posted by RedClown
People are coming over from the mixedmartialarts forum is all. They are trying to put an end to this once and for all. The whole big deal is this guy has blatantly lied about his lineage and is teaching right now in Tulsa Oklahoma claiming to be a BJJ blackbelt with 27 years of jiu jitsu experience. He is misleading the gym he is affiliated with and the public. Just in this thread he has completely back pedaled from a guy who registered as a black belt to a white belt who just wants to learn under eddie to eventually open up an affiliate, to a guy whose Cadre thinks he shouldn't be affiliated because of Eddie's marijuana advocacy. This dude is a douche bag, lying poser. Look at his mma fight..he looks like me in guard and I'm less than a month in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ian "ifreez" Freemantle
Guys like him prey on the public with false credentials
Why not? He sets out to defraud people, he should be exposed. Plain and simple.
So says the anonymous guy. With all due respect, your posts were as enjoyable as watching a cat fight however you really didn't contribute any valid help to this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedClown
I think you're missing my overall point. If they are an affiliate with traceable lineage I can make my own choices. However, if someone like redcloud lies about his lineage...I mean, dude is instructing people, and we have no idea what belt rank he is. With Brandon and John I can go up to them and they would say "hey big dude, I'm a Eddie Bravo blue belt". And I'm straight. If Eddie backs the schol I am cool. However, if some guy were a blue belt and just opened up a BJJ academy I would have to monitor the class.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh Smith
I really was just making the point that a purple or black belt usually allows an expectation of the ability to teach. Not crapping on blue belts running schools. Sorry for seeming like a dick
So says the rest of Oklahoma, tough guy.
Lets not throw more people under the bus here. There are a lot of redcloud's out there, we can't crucify them all.
You're right! Weed does lead to other things... Mostly junk food!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Colin Bohbrink
only those that lie about affiliations to Eddie!! I know I get butt hurt about the whole thing because there are a ton of frauds out there...guess I spend too much time on bullshidoQuote:
Originally Posted by JeffRace727