Is Frank "The Man" James good or bad for 10th Planet??

Ok...read that epic thread.

My take is that dude got overzealous and butt hurt over eisner's response. Instead of taking it even after eddie clarified, he still kept going. That's the problem with the internet.....people don't know when to just let it go. The rest of the thread just turned into him trying to protect his e-peen. It happens....rank is serious business...especially with the explosive popularity of BJJ...so when people start suggesting promotions that's touchy. If no one is disagreeing with those facts we're straight and we should just keep it pushing.

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Originally Posted by Cole

yeh i just figured not many dudes would want me repping another system while training under them. i know it's jiu jitsu lol. thx for the advice tho i appreciate it.

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How much practical (as in visiting real life BJJ training facilities, not reading internet talk) experience do you have with it though? I see alot of things espoused by 10PJJ in BJJ places. Does everyone in these places agree with everything 10PJJ does? No, but to be honest you can talk to two groups of people affilated under two different BJJ umbrellas (hell some guys where both are affiliated with alliance dont agree on everything, tech or otherwise) and they dont all paddle the boat the exact same way. I seriously doubt you will create great offense by practicing the techs, so long as you understand you are there to learn first, I dont forsee a problem.

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Originally Posted by stlnl

How much practical (as in visiting real life BJJ training facilities, not reading internet talk) experience do you have with it though? I see alot of things espoused by 10PJJ in BJJ places. Does everyone in these places agree with everything 10PJJ does? No, but to be honest you can talk to two groups of people affilated under two different BJJ umbrellas (hell some guys where both are affiliated with alliance dont agree on everything, tech or otherwise) and they dont all paddle the boat the exact same way. I seriously doubt you will create great offense by practicing the techs, so long as you understand you are there to learn first, I dont forsee a problem.

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well no training atm. but i see what you're saying. i just wouldn't want to start training somewhere and get in an argument with the instructor/students for using another system.

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Originally Posted by Cole

well no training atm. but i see what you're saying. i just wouldn't want to start training somewhere and get in an argument with the instructor/students for using another system.

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I guess it could happen, but I seriously doubt you would be reprimanded. Now if you want to create a combative argumentative tone, I guess it could go sour, but you didnt strike me as that sort, more the sort worried from internet stories than real life stories.

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Originally Posted by stlnl

I guess it could happen, but I seriously doubt you would be reprimanded. Now if you want to create a combative argumentative tone, I guess it could go sour, but you didnt strike me as that sort, more the sort worried from internet stories than real life stories.

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yeh man. i always try to take a peaceful approach to everything i do. but u are right. from what i've read it seems most traditional schools kinda hate on 10thplanet. i just wanna find a school that trains and reps 10thplanet but if i have to train somewhere else i guess i will. up until now i've sort of been lurking and learning all i can from forums/videos/etc.. but i think its really time to start training. ever since i first heard/learned about 10thplanet it's had my attention as far as grappling goes. but restraints like money/family life have put a hold on me beginning my jiu jitsu journey. hopefully this school in Cary NC works out for me. thx again for the help stnl/jay chow.

Wow, that was a lot of reading to get to the point of finally commenting. To the guy that this thread is about; what the fuck is wrong with you?
Question 1: i didn't read a decision anywhere on what the community wants to do with you, or more importantly what Eddie wants to do with you, so what the hell are you talking about?
Question 2 part A: why have you stopped teaching?
Question 3: what is your actually rank, under who, to teach? From what i have read, and based on the inquisitive dialouge between other members, you are an honorary purple belt...but what do you believe yourself to be; a blue belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu?
Question 4: if you are so in debt, how can you afford to quit your job? Do you have other work?
Question 5: why did you put so much personal information about yourself on this place? It seems more like a cry for help then clarification of facts.
If you are having money issues, welcome to the real world; PRIORITIZE motherfucker.

I went to an Eddie seminar at Kevin's school in DE; there was a fella there, dark skinned complexion, possibly Indian, who was a 15 year Renzo white belt! Seemed like a pretty nice dude. Eddie exclaimed, "15 years, what happened?" Like with the rest of us, life gets in the way. Coming on a forum of a style of Jiu Jitsu that you love (and have blue balls for) and getting all crazy, then declaring that you are leaving the forum and pouting all the way stating that you closed up shop; is crazy talk. Grow up dude.

And you are mistaken sir, JC Chow is not equally responsible for all of this hype; it is you. At any point all you had to do was apologize, stop the fucking RANTING, and lay low. Instead you acted like an ass, got called out, and now you are trying to hold everyone on here accountable for you no longer teaching/practicing.

Additionally, it is possible that everything you have stated is a farce and this is the best possible troll job ever!

I don't think you need this forum, i think you need some medicine and therapy; where is Brent when you need a psychological online evalutaion? BRENT!!!!

FUCK!

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Originally Posted by Nate Hollyfield

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you just made me cry...

what is the monoply guy doing to that camel in your picture that moves?

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Originally Posted by travis

what is the monoply guy doing to that camel in your picture that moves?

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that comment should not have made me laugh as hard as it did.. lol

happy to oblige!

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Originally Posted by Chris Herzog

I don't think he's bad, misguided perhaps.

I don't agree with his questioning of Eddie's ranking guidelines at all, its wasn't his place to do so. No one is forcing anyone to train 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu and work towards rank, its a choice. If its something you want bad enough you'll make sacrifices to obtain it.

The name calling wasn't called for and doesn't following the positive attitude that the 10th Planet community strives for. However I feel it was reactionary on Frank's part and he made a poor choice in how he responded to the criticism. We've all said stupid shit in the past, hopefully he'll learn from it, use it as a learning experience to grow is a more positive direction.

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I'm with Chris on this one. Everyone IS entitled to their own opinion. How you express that opinion, especially to your superiors/leaders/masters is paramount. Here are the facts: Eddie is the creator/master of the 10th Planet system. How he, and his closest associates decide to dictate by-laws and parameters are his decision(s). You should NEVER solicit a promotion, especially publicly unless you have such a body of work or evidence to warrant it, and even then, probably not. The best policy in any worthwhile endeavor is hard work, keep your nose to the grindstone, and just go about your business. You will be recognized if you're good and do things the right way. I have never asked for a specific rank or even to be promoted/made an instructor. I was asked due to my work ethic and character by the instructors that I trust and respect-Kru Phil and Sifu Richard, and Eddie. They decided.
Sure, it may seem like things are "clique-y" at times, and sure I have my personal thoughts and get frustrated at times as well, but after 22 years training, 13 or so years coaching, you get a different perspective. Rank isn't important-knowledge is. Maybe if I'm feeling good, I'll fly to HQ one weekend and meet up with some of the friends I've made there, roll with Sots, Eddie, Eisner, and Einstein and see what happens. Maybe if work and life permit, I'll get some good tournies in for a few months. Maybe not. It doesn't diminish or define me.
Now, as to Frank; I think everyone deserves a second chance. Was he out of line? Yes. Does he need to eat some crow? Yes. Someone who has some experience with him should probably speak to him one-to-one and just say "Dude, chill out. Opinons are like assholes" or something to that effect and just let him know that he needs to conduct himself differently.
Having said all that: the ultimate opinion that matters is Eddie's. The standards of conduct are for Eddie to decide. Criteria for promotion are for Eddie to decide. End of story.
Frank, if you're reading this: just chill out man. It's good to be passionate. It's good and encouraged to have strong opinions, but just know when/how to express them and who your audience is, comprende Amigo?

Did you read the whole thread, he gets pretty out there at times.

It's entertaining if nothing else, but i wouldn't want that guy repping me.


Misrepresenting his rank is what did it for me. You're either a purple belt or not, there's no such thing as an "honorary purple belt". He said he got his purple belt from Charuto Verissimo, and then later stated that he just told him he was purple belt level or something or another. That ain't cool, and i think we can all agree on that.

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Originally Posted by Brandon Palmer

Did you read the whole thread, he gets pretty out there at times.

It's entertaining if nothing else, but i wouldn't want that guy repping me.


Misrepresenting his rank is what did it for me. You're either a purple belt or not, there's no such thing as an "honorary purple belt". He said he got his purple belt from Charuto Verissimo, and then later stated that he just told him he was purple belt level or something or another. That ain't cool, and i think we can all agree on that.

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Yep, I just finished the thread. I was reading while here at work, so I replied with Herzog's quote, and then completed reading of the thread. Now, I HAVE to eat some crow and recind my positive message. This is bad. Reading everything that was written and seeing some of the details, I don't think a second chance is appropriate as there appear to have been several instances. Sorry guys, this is what happens when you take some time off.

Hah, thats why i brought it up, no crow eating necessary John...i was almost positive that you hadnt had roughly 2 months time to make it through reading that whole mess...and when Zog posted that first bit about benefit of the doubt, i felt the same way....then....the misrepresentation of rank, which i cant condone, whatsoever.

:)

Anyways, hopefully this poor thread will get lost in the shuffle now. RIP.

I'm not sure if you've ruled on this decision already (and believe me I know I'm late to the game), but I believe my opinion might be of some value as a "student" directly under Frank James. I have a lot to say, but I wont say it unless prompted, I dont want to waste anyone's time. I will, however, state that I would not allow Frank into the system if the system were mine. I know my opinion as a white belt is irrelevant, but I'd like to submit this particular opinion as the son of a local Business owner. I will one day own that business and now I am a manager. I let Frank teach there, and I've regretted it ever since. If you are interested in the rest of what I have to say, Mr. Bravo, I'd be more than happy to email you. Again, I'll not say anything without being prompted because the situation is so old, I fear I may have missed my opportunity to speak about my very strong negative feelings on the person in question, and I'd like to speak my mind: but ONLY if Mr. Bravo wants to hear it and permits it. If the situation is settled, then I understand completely. I am sorry for my delay in posting this, but my Grandfather was very ill and recently had to get a heart transplant, which went VERY well btw. He is doing fine and life is back to normal.

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Originally Posted by Drew Parks

I'm not sure if you've ruled on this decision already (and believe me I know I'm late to the game), but I believe my opinion might be of some value as a "student" directly under Frank James. I have a lot to say, but I wont say it unless prompted, I dont want to waste anyone's time. I will, however, state that I would not allow Frank into the system if the system were mine. I know my opinion as a white belt is irrelevant, but I'd like to submit this particular opinion as the son of a local Business owner. I will one day own that business and now I am a manager. I let Frank teach there, and I've regretted it ever since. If you are interested in the rest of what I have to say, Mr. Bravo, I'd be more than happy to email you. Again, I'll not say anything without being prompted because the situation is so old, I fear I may have missed my opportunity to speak about my very strong negative feelings on the person in question, and I'd like to speak my mind: but ONLY if Mr. Bravo wants to hear it and permits it. If the situation is settled, then I understand completely. I am sorry for my delay in posting this, but my Grandfather was very ill and recently had to get a heart transplant, which went VERY well btw. He is doing fine and life is back to normal.

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Great to hear about your Grandfather recovering, and your input is helpful!

well drew, lets just say that punctuality isnt your strong point

Let it out if it will make ya feel better.

Where is that guy that stole the hotdogs that had chili and cheese all over them????????????? if i find him ima choke him i swear.....fuck that dirty son of a bitch.

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Originally Posted by Karim Graham

well drew, lets just say that punctuality isnt your strong point

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Edited before quotepwned.

punc·tu·al (pngkch-l)
adj.
1. Acting or arriving exactly at the time appointed; prompt.
2. Paid or accomplished at or by the appointed time.
3. Precise; exact.
4. Confined to or having the nature of a point in space.
5. Linguistics Of, related to, or being the verbal aspect that expresses momentary action or action considered as having no temporal duration.

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Originally Posted by Scott Philips

punc·tu·al (pngkch-l)
adj.
1. Acting or arriving exactly at the time appointed; prompt.
2. Paid or accomplished at or by the appointed time.

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thanks for saving me the effort of kicking JC's ass :D

Couldn't tell if he was joking or if you guys don't use that form of the word across the pond. Damn you internet.

lmao that's some funny shit!

Oh shit, haha!


*do not post anything on 10th Planet forum when high

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Originally Posted by Jay JC Chow

Oh shit, haha!


*do not post anything on 10th Planet forum when high

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ahahahahahhah I didn't think you would cop to it I thought you would try to play it of as a joke. Good stuff JC thanks for the laugh! you're a good sport!

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Originally Posted by Don Blankenship

Where is that guy that stole the hotdogs that had chili and cheese all over them????????????? if i find him ima choke him i swear.....fuck that dirty son of a bitch.

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The new Chicago Dogs at Sonic are the bomb. But I'm not talking about that shit unless prompted to by Eddie.. fyi

Eddie, I have to piss. May I?

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Originally Posted by Drew Parks

I'm not sure if you've ruled on this decision already (and believe me I know I'm late to the game), but I believe my opinion might be of some value as a "student" directly under Frank James. I have a lot to say, but I wont say it unless prompted, I dont want to waste anyone's time. I will, however, state that I would not allow Frank into the system if the system were mine. I know my opinion as a white belt is irrelevant, but I'd like to submit this particular opinion as the son of a local Business owner. I will one day own that business and now I am a manager. I let Frank teach there, and I've regretted it ever since. If you are interested in the rest of what I have to say, Mr. Bravo, I'd be more than happy to email you. Again, I'll not say anything without being prompted because the situation is so old, I fear I may have missed my opportunity to speak about my very strong negative feelings on the person in question, and I'd like to speak my mind: but ONLY if Mr. Bravo wants to hear it and permits it. If the situation is settled, then I understand completely. I am sorry for my delay in posting this, but my Grandfather was very ill and recently had to get a heart transplant, which went VERY well btw. He is doing fine and life is back to normal.

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Hit you with a private message, if you care to respond.

hahaha wooooow what the fuck?? allright moral to this story:

keep your fucking mouth shut and train.

So much in fighting its almost unbelievable...I know I'm new, and this isn't my place, but I hope Eddie comes out with a solution soon...This ordeal is interesting, but bad for the family. I hope we can settle this manner, and put it behind us, maybe give frank another chance, even though he was out of line, but start over, and tell us the truth about everything, his real ranks, and all. Then we can rebuild from there. But I love the respect, and willingness to work this stuff out...A lot of anti- 10th P would probably change their minds if they saw that we're actually willing to work together to try to deal with a problem....But it sure is taking a long ass time..:p

Maybe let him train if he wants to? .... But anything that involves representing the 10th Planet name should be a no go. We already have the BJJ community on our asses still saying stuff like, "We talk trash." And that we're all pot heads, and ass holes...Which is like...What?....40% true?..Jk But seriously...If he wants to work the system, and put the numbers in...Let him?..But as a student...And in no way a representative....Its times like this you wanna ask...What would Marcelo do? :) (besides throwin up a guillotine)

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This was over a year and 1/2 ago, he is not coming back, its over and done with.

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Originally Posted by Chris Herzog

This was over a year and 1/2 ago, he is not coming back, its over and done with.

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Oh pfft my bad lol, I got caught up with this interesting read without even bothering to look at dates. (That alone should say something about how noob I am to everything)

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Originally Posted by bobby rivers

Eddie, I have to piss. May I?

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Bobby they are going to have file this request, pass it through all the other black belts, where they will confine themselves in a secret tribunal to discuss whether it should be forwarded to Eddie, and in two, maybe three weeks you might be able to take that piss assuming Eddie gets the message.

You niggas still talking about this shit !

haha, I remember this thread

good old Frank

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Originally Posted by Chris Herzog

This was over a year and 1/2 ago, he is not coming back, its over and done with.

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I think what we’ve learned today is that it would be cool if moderators could close a thread so it could never come back to the top…