My Beef With Vegans/Vegetarians

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Originally Posted by Corky

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I thought summer ended corky why you still here?

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Originally Posted by Brandon Jeffries

Hell Vegetarians drink milk. Everyone know milk is one of the worst things for you. 80% of the protien in milk is Caesine. Caesine is the glue the use to put labels on beer bottles. Also, EVERYONE in the MD field knows the Excess amount of protein inhibits Calcium Absorbtion, so that means the calcium in milk is completely useless.... Think about that for a change. Oh and the low fat dairy product... even worse because when you drop the fat out, the ratio of protien goes up so you get even less Calcium! Not to mention that dairy lowers the ph of you body to a more acidic level, and how does your body fix the ph levels? It uses calcium from the biggest supply it has... YOUR BONES. When your body used us the calcium in your bones they get weak, and thats called Osteoporosis! WTF Right?! If you dont think its true, look at the dairy capitols of the world. Denmark, Sweden, and the US ALL HAVE HIGHER RATES OF OSTEOPOROSIS THAN ANY OTHER NATION! Now why is that?! Just some food for thought. ;)

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I have always been an opponent of milk since I was a teenager. I've argued from the position of cow's milk is meant for cows, even cows eventually stop nursing when their body is done needing milk. Same with humans, there is a point in time where a child no longer needs to breast feed. Humans supplement their children's diet with cow's milk for a period of time and then they should stop. Our bodies aren't designed to digest cows milk. That's why cheese constipates and so many people are naturally lactose intolerant... it's their bodies way of saying NO MORE MILK!

In all of that uneducated arguing that I did in the past, I just based it off of logic as a teen.

Now that I have read your argument Brandon, I wasn't that far off. I just lacked the scientific data. Thanks for clarifying and providing proof!

So how else shall we get our calcium intake?

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Originally Posted by Jay Chow

So how else shall we get our calcium intake?

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Well you could take the second hand advice a witch doctor supposedly gave to someone on an BJJ forum... or you could read what Harvard has to say on the issue (http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritio...um-full-story/). I know I know, Harvard is bought and paid for by the diary lobby..bla bla bla

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Originally Posted by Jay Chow

So how else shall we get our calcium intake?

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By mining for pure calcium deposits and ingesting them in powder form nasally, in public, using a mirror and razor blade to chop it up into fine "lines." I'm joking by the way.

Also since we're going off of locker room science to dictate our health and nutrition, we gotta stop eating all salt altogether. Salt is a natural anti-freeze, and we all know that anti-freeze can kill you. I'm kidding of course =D.

Oh yeah, and since animals like gorillas are "strong" and don't eat cooked foods, if we eat only raw foods we can be strong....like gorilla. Again.....kidding, but I swear I've heard this from some people. Not to say that salads aren't delicious =D.

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Originally Posted by Daniel Patrick

Well you could take the second hand advice a witch doctor supposedly gave to someone on an BJJ forum... or you could read what Harvard has to say on the issue (http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritio...um-full-story/). I know I know, Harvard is bought and paid for by the diary lobby..bla bla bla

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The older a belief is and the more people that believe it....the more true it is right, regardless of mounds and mounds of evidence to the contrary to widely held beliefs? Like sea monsters and falling off the "edge of the world" being legitimate sea hazards for sailors during the bronze age.

calcium is abundant in greens like spinach, collard grens, kale and sesame seeds, black strap molasses etc...and studies (including a recent one by the BMJ involving over 60,000 women AND one involving children) show that calcium via milk (and supplements) have little to know benefit in the best case, and may be harmful in the worst case.

It's also been shown that populations with the highest intake of dairy based calcium have the highest incidences of hip/bone fracture.

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Originally Posted by Daniel Patrick

Well you could take the second hand advice a witch doctor supposedly gave to someone on an BJJ forum... or you could read what Harvard has to say on the issue (http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritio...um-full-story/). I know I know, Harvard is bought and paid for by the diary lobby..bla bla bla

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Might want to read the study you posted

"Clearly, although more research is needed, we cannot be confident that high milk or calcium intake is safe."

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Originally Posted by miketubbs

Might want to read the study you posted

"Clearly, although more research is needed, we cannot be confident that high milk or calcium intake is safe."

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I read it... did you? You can cherry a quote that is referring to prostate cancer risk in men that take twice the RECOMMENDED dose of calcium but you might want to scroll down and read their recommendations as well.

Tubbs, I was responding to JC who was asking about how we can get calcium. This article is a good overview on calcium and milk and points out some of the things that should be considered - which you cleverly pointed out. I'm not taking half-informed cheap-shots at anyone, just helping to educate.

The original witch doctor line would imply cheap shot. The quote I posted was a summary of ALL the potential pitfalls it mentioned. Given what is written in the article and other articles it's a safe bet that milk and calcium supps are not necessary and could be harmful.

Implying that that type of info is related to a 'witch doctor' relegates it to myth or mumbo jumbo, when in fact the article you posted supports that.