You guys have to see this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Chris Ludington

Like I said, I am not against whipping my child when warranted. But what he was doing was beating her. On the legs, the arms, the back, etc. What he was doing was screaming obscenities at her and belittling her as if she was a dog. My point is that loving parents don't do that. The goal of an ass whipping should always be to better the child. If it is done in anger and is complimented with varying insults and curse words it become abuse. That is my point.

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Please refer to my response to Cody. I don't want to have to type the same thing.

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Originally Posted by Chris Ludington

My father was an abusive (mentally and physically) person. He continues to be abusive although it's not nearly as effective now that he is old and I am grown. Without the huge sob story I can tell you this. I moved out when I was 12. He and I got into a fist fight when I was 15 and if not for a very close girlfriend of mine stopping me, I can almost assure you I would have killed him. I was arrested at 16 for shooting a man. I spent almost 2 years in the system and fortunately for me I was assigned a case worker that recognized my issues and placed me in a therapeutic environment (group home for abused and neglected children) instead of letting me rot in lock up. During my time at that group home I learned a lot about abuse and anger and self control. I learned that normal human beings don't do this type of shit to their children.

So yes, I am a pretty decent guy, a hell of a dad, and a contributing member of society. But it wasn't without years of therapy and counseling to recover from the shit that my father did to me.

So I think I have at least some authority to speak on this matter. If not this case in particular but at least abuse in general.

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Good for you Chris. You sounds like a great guy. I vote that if any of us get to put hands on the judge you get him first.:)

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Originally Posted by Chris Ludington

Like I said, I am not against whipping my child when warranted. But what he was doing was beating her. On the legs, the arms, the back, etc. What he was doing was screaming obscenities at her and belittling her as if she was a dog. My point is that loving parents don't do that. The goal of an ass whipping should always be to better the child. If it is done in anger and is complimented with varying insults and curse words it become abuse. That is my point.

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Dude the only time i have ever even come close beating my dog like that was when he growled at my wife...and even then it wasn't that bad...so to do that to a person is on a diff level of wrong. Its like he has no regard for anyone or thing other than satisfying his rage and need for power.

And with that i will bid u adieu for about an hour BUT I WILL BE BACK!

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Originally Posted by Stephen Rae

He was just mad. Ever get mad before? Happens all the time, dude. Sometimes people don't have the forethought to take a deep breath, and think about what they are about to do. Like when you mentioned I was "beat" by my Father. Sometimes thinking ahead, and being critical is just to hard for some people sometimes. That doesn't mean he is an unfit parent, or that he should loose his job. I also feel like you are ignoring all my points, and that you just want to be "right"

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When you dont have that forethought you arent ready to be a parent...you can really fuck a person up terrorizing them like that. You have another life in your hands. If you cant control yourself you shouldnt have kids.

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Originally Posted by Cody Kietzman

When you dont have that forethought you arent ready to be a parent...you can really fuck a person up terrorizing them like that. You have another life in your hands. If you cant control yourself you shouldnt have kids.

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How is giving a kid a good belting going to fuck up their entire life? I got my ass whooped when I was younger for repeatedly disobeying my parents, and I'm fine. I have decent grades in school, I have a job at an IT security firm, and I'm a pretty nice guy. More so, I now know that a warning is just that, a warning. When someone warns you of something you better listen. I bet she knows what a warning is now. Maybe you r Dad should have spanked you more when you were a kid.

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Originally Posted by Stephen Rae

He was just mad. Ever get mad before? Happens all the time, dude. Sometimes people don't have the forethought to take a deep breath, and think about what they are about to do. Like when you mentioned I was "beat" by my Father. Sometimes thinking ahead, and being critical is just to hard for some people sometimes. That doesn't mean he is an unfit parent, or that he should loose his job. I also feel like you are ignoring all my points, and that you just want to be "right"

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Originally Posted by Stephen Rae

How is giving a kid a good belting going to fuck up their entire life? I got my ass whooped when I was younger for repeatedly disobeying my parents, and I'm fine. I have decent grades in school, I have a job at an IT security firm, and I'm a pretty nice guy. More so, I now know that a warning is just that, a warning. When someone warns you of something you better listen. I bet she knows what a warning is now. Maybe you r Dad should have spanked you more when you were a kid.

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And maybe your Dad hit you in the head one too many times.

The Troll is strong with you Stephen.

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Originally Posted by Chokemaster

And maybe your Dad hit you in the head one too many times.

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Fuck you too.

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Originally Posted by Stephen Rae

Fuck you too.

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So what would yo do right now if an authority figure in your life attempted to do this very thing for something you did wrong.

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Originally Posted by Cody Kietzman

So what would yo do right now if an authority figure in your life attempted to do this very thing for something you did wrong.

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Apparantly take it cause its that authority figure's right.