what i find so retarded is that gracie jiu jits evolved from japanese ju jutsu and from kimura. so for him to say its reached its peak and everything else is a filter just makes zero sense.
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what i find so retarded is that gracie jiu jits evolved from japanese ju jutsu and from kimura. so for him to say its reached its peak and everything else is a filter just makes zero sense.
Gracie Jiu Jitsu evolved from Judo not Japanese JuJutsu, Meada taught the Gracies, he was a Judoka. Kimura was the Japanese Judoka that beat the hell out of Heilo and broke his arm, hence the term "Kimura".Quote:
Originally Posted by DBK
I'm not going to get into this debate because even though I think that group of Gracies have some good points about stuff I do believe there ideas are a little short sighted and grandiose but I would like to know who thinks Rener's original comments were disrespectful.(not short sighted or misguided but disrespectful) Because some shit slinging started on page one of this thread. All the comments by the guy representing GJJ were done respectfully and I cant say the same for all the guys representing 10thp. Speaking from a business perspective if I was Sean B. or Jeremy Fields I wouldn't want some lone ranger representing my business. I mean you cant help what a costumer may say on your behalf but when that costumer puts on an employee uniform and appears to represent your business in an official capacity that's problematic. You have to stop and think how things might appear to the new comer to 10th planet and this site.
I don't think anyone should take offence at Rener's remarks...he's a good guy and i don't believe he was being disrespectful
Exactly Chris. BJJ=Basically Just Judo. Every submission in BJJ comes from Judo. Despite what anyone thinks, BJJ does not have a fuller range of techniques on the ground, they just practice on it more. Before I got into BJJ I wrestled, did Judo/SAMBO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Herzog
In Martial Arts time spent sparring is everything. It is the reason why specialists are specialists. BJJ are ground specialists, they spend about 80/98% or more training on just ground work. Where I practiced Judo and then SAMBO we spent around 35% of the time on the ground. At Gokor's they spend even more time on the ground.
Every Judo guy should practice BJJ and visa versa. Where I practiced Judo the local high school wrestling coach
made all his wrestlers practice judo on the off season. 80% of the guys there had wrestled. When I started taking BJJ lessons with the Gracies at the Torrance Academy they
were teaching very basic Judo throws that I already of course knew well. The Gracies had an instructional that
showed 3 armbars and one choke. I had a Judo ground fighting armbar instructionals that had 21 different armbars.
The judo choke instructional had 21 chokes. When Renzo Grazie came out with his first BJJ instructionals they say
Rorion was upset with him telling him he had taught too much.
my point was regardless of if GJJ came from judo or japanese jiu jitsu is that it evolved from something else. kind of like 10th planet evolving from a style that everyone knows and doesnt work well in the ufc. so for rener to say that gracie jiu jitsu is the most effective and everything else is a "filter" doesnt make much sense to me.
Don't attempt to paraphrase and put words in his mouth, quote him. I never heard him use the words "most effective" in response to that question actually he said "that's the filter that I want" referring to Helio Gracie. When he refers to each different instructor as a filter its not an insult it is just his philosophy. Here is some more quotes for you "what works works there is no denying what actually works" in reference to 10th planet jj and "Eddie Bravo a great practitioner, very creative jiu jitsu scientist". Twisting words is what the haters have been doing to Eddie for years and its what your doing to one of the Gracies who is actually showing Eddie respect.Quote:
Originally Posted by DBK
Eddie is friends with Javier Vazquez who uses rubber guard teaches at the Gracie Academy and his wife Rose, Rorion's daughter Rener's sister so there is no hate coming from that camp.
It will be interesting to see if Gracies ever start teaching rubber guard in their schools.
Would also being interesting also to see if the Gracies ever teach wrestling,Quote:
Originally Posted by PatrickBJJ777
Muay Thai and Western boxing in their schools. At 10th Planet Riverside we
teach it all boxing, wrestling, Muay Thai and tons of leg locks.