Royce Gracie: “Jiu-Jitsu is not a points game” Article

this should settle the jj vs. weapons debate once and for all http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/4/6/...lata-breakdown

i agree . with almost all of the statement. all martial arts are a great confidense booster ,but I think it puts most of them in harms way as in tkd you try that tip tap stuff on a normal avergae wrestler your going to get massacred. then when your in a bloddy heap you can tell him you won a award at a tournament. reality is most martial arts dont teach you live scenarios , its all what if. You see this alot in amatuer mma fights a guy that knows very little but brawling usually wins cause of his aggression vs the guy who is following a form he was taught. I think nogi grappling should go untill theres a submission , no points , but i do realize that would take forever in some cases. makes you up your game though!!

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Originally Posted by James Davis

I 100% agree with royce with regards to the street fighting. However, some people just want to compete in tournaments. However, if the points jiu jitsu is being marketed for self defence...then yeah..there's the problem. It's interesting to hear him say this as Renzo just said something on this line fairly recently about jiu jitsu..but he was critiquing Rener about "real gracie jiu jitsu".

We really are at a point where BJJ has the potential to turn into TKD for sure. It is a concern. BJJ and MMA are being marketed as being street fighting applicable arts, however with the lack of quality control:muay thai...becomes cardio kickboxing, BJJ becomes tournament BJJ. MMA is assumed to be STREET CERTIFIED.

Who is marketing, who is hating and who is legit?

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Bingo. I think you said it perfectly.

1. If they guy has a friend, your going to the ground ANYWAY 2. If the guy has a knife you RUN, or use one of the MANY knife defense techniques Royce's dad made, OR if your already on the ground: break the arm 3. You dont have to strangle or mangle anyone, jiu jitsu will allow you to not get hurt and stop the assailiant without hurting THEM.

I've used bjj in a streetfight. Choked out a guy who was hitting my friend. it worked. There were people watching but they didn't do much to me except pull me off I guess they were scared I would do the same to them if they jumped in. I wouldn't recommend using it unless you really have to though, you're not always guaranteed to come out unhurt. I got lucky in that situation.

jui-jitsu works, but looking back at other stupid fights I've gotten in for dumbass reasons I wouldn't recommend using it unless you really have to.

Troll

that was for frank-theman-james--why hasnt this guy been kicked off the forum yet?

I think that is true im thinking about only enterng submission only tournements from now on. I also think that their should not be rounds in a ufc fight i think that non title fights should be 20 minutes of just straight fighting and title fights should be 30 minutes of straight fighting.

Training JJ and MMA has shown me that I can survive any street fight because of one thing: my resulting above average fitness and stamina will enable me to run off and not get caught by the other guy.

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Originally Posted by Eric Perez

Royce is a fool. Gracie JJ loves to say how they cant do UFC anymore because theres too many rules. Thats not the reason, the reason is because your JJ doesnt work well anymore. Look at Hughes vs Gracie, no street techniques would have saved him. And too say that sport fighting doesnt translate well on the street doesnt really make sense too me because I think a pro boxer would do well in a street fight against the average guy. Its just another way to market Gracie JJ Its kind of become a street lethal style, like Karate of the early 90"s

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Its a smart marketing and strategic business plan for the Gracies, and it has worked well for them. You don't have to agree with them, but calling someone a fool that really put Jiu Jitsu on the map, and opened the eyes of thousands if not millions of people to the effectiveness and necessity for ground fighting is a bit extreme. Most of us wouldn't be training Jiu Jitsu if it wasn't for Royce.