Lockdown / Whip up question - Need advice from those that have been there

I've been doing BJJ for about a year now and have been working some 10th planet techniques into my game for about the last month.

At first, I was taking people by surprise with the whip up, and generally didn't have a hard time getting the whip up and going from there. Now, guys in class know what I'm going to try to do when I get the lock down, and they've really started to clamp on to me once I get it.

They fight against my underhooks, but I can pretty much always get them. When my arms are below theirs though, they'll wrap an arm around my neck and hold on for dear life. It pretty much stops their offense, but still, I'm on bottom and having a tough time getting anything going.

Are there options from the lockdown, for guys clamped down on top of you, that don't involve the whip-up? Are there techniques for getting the whip-up on a guy that is doing everything he can to stop it?

I know you guys must deal with this all the time, especially in a 10th planet school where everyone knows your intentions from the lockdown. Any advice you can give will be appreciated.

Jaws of life, Stomps, Godfather

Jared said it

Great advice guys!

I was trying to take parts of the system, get good at them, and then add more and more branches to it.

I was so caught up on the whip-up, I totally missed those other options.

Thank you for not burning me for asking such a noob question.

Not noob Jeffrey... No question is silly. There was a thread a while back that we addressed this exact same question. Can anyone remember the name of the thread?!?! We all posted a great deal of info on thete

Jeffrey, here ya go ;)

http://www.10thplanetjj.com/threads/...highlight=Whip

personally i would go to knee-in half guard or z-guard. i'm thinking about how i can build a personal style that mixes in z-guard to get space so i can get double-unders and then work the lockdown.

Yeah, I did that too. I was so concerned with overwhelming myself with material (between my classes and my books) that I didn't realize that I was only learning half of each position. Moves tend to come in pairs or in sets of option A versus option B.

If I'm understanding what you wrote correctly, you already have double unders, but they are just wrapping your head up and smashing you down. To me, this is them begging to get their backs taken. Try to get out to the back and everything will open up. I feel like JOL will just create enough space for them to pummel their arm and then you won't have double unders anymore.

Also, you may not have worked on it yet, but if you can get double unders... just go to dog fight. Get your hands connected behind their back and work to get to perfect double unders and just keep pulling them on top of you. From there, work your footwork and get up to dogfight. From there you are pretty much going to sweep every time (at least for a while until guys start getting good whizzers).

As well if you have under hooks get deep on the guy, like get his dick in your ear.... pull his weight up so that he has to post on his hands, then boa etc... or old school or any of them ... if you get deep he has to balance or as previoulsy stated you can take the back easy