been training gi for a month after 3 years no-gi and....

somebody please tell me how collar chokes, belt grabbing, wrapping my a gi over a persons neck for sweeps, pant leg grips, sleeve grips, etc.. is making my no-gi tighter. I especially love the "gi slows your game down so you can better understand the moves and motions" argument. so when things speed up, grips arnt their, and things are super slippery in no-gi i will have somehow learned subconsciously how to compensate through gi training.

Takes serious brainwashing and a cult like devotion to tradition to actually believe that IMO. but hey, till theirs an official 10thplanet in florida i guess ill just have to suck it up and let the bow and arrow chokes ride.

...just my rant after a month of hearing how gi is superior.

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Originally Posted by snoogens44

somebody please tell me how collar chokes, belt grabbing, wrapping my a gi over a persons neck for sweeps, pant leg grips, sleeve grips, etc.. is making my no-gi tighter. I especially love the "gi slows your game down so you can better understand the moves and motions" argument. so when things speed up, grips arnt their, and things are super slippery in no-gi i will have somehow learned subconsciously how to compensate through gi training.

Takes serious brainwashing and a cult like devotion to tradition to actually believe that IMO. but hey, till theirs an official 10thplanet in florida i guess ill just have to suck it up and let the bow and arrow chokes ride.

...just my rant after a month of hearing how gi is superior.

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I know what you mean. I train in both. We have heard every argument of gi vs. no-gi what's better or worse. Do what you like to do, train how you like.
Me personally, when I train in the gi I try to avoid gi techniques (but if it's there use it), go for double unders still, grab the wrist instead of the sleeve, grab the neck instead of the collar etc... Givin your circumstances make the best of it and just try to enjoy the sport, with or without the gi. :) but that just from my limited view point....

i hear you man. i try and do the same. ill love bjj anyways

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Originally Posted by snoogens44

somebody please tell me how collar chokes, belt grabbing, wrapping my a gi over a persons neck for sweeps, pant leg grips, sleeve grips, etc.. is making my no-gi tighter. I especially love the "gi slows your game down so you can better understand the moves and motions" argument. so when things speed up, grips arnt their, and things are super slippery in no-gi i will have somehow learned subconsciously how to compensate through gi training.

Takes serious brainwashing and a cult like devotion to tradition to actually believe that IMO. but hey, till theirs an official 10thplanet in florida i guess ill just have to suck it up and let the bow and arrow chokes ride.

...just my rant after a month of hearing how gi is superior.

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I prefer no gi but theres something about those bow and arrow chokes. Its probably cause you get to look at them face to face while you choke them haha

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Originally Posted by Brent Smith

I prefer no gi but theres something about those bow and arrow chokes. Its probably cause you get to look at them face to face while you choke them haha

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I don't know what kind of bow and arrow chokes you're doing, but I don't look them in the face. Maybe the back/side of the head? :confused:

The gi totally makes ur nogi tighter, just look at all the amazing guard work in the UFC, it's soooo tight :-)

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Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo

The gi totally makes ur nogi tighter, just look at all the amazing guard work in the UFC, it's soooo tight :-)

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I want to learn it all. But this quote ^ is the reason Eddie Bravo is the man. Master of nogi and still no hate for the gi. Is it for him NO! but respects those who do..... Master Eddie Bravo your my hero!!!! :p

Dats da GI thats Jiu Jitsu!

I know how you feel. I just started training the in the gi last week monday was my first time. It's nice were we are at though we train in the gi Monday Wednesday and Saturday. Tuesday is no-gi and sambo with Reilly Bodycomb and Thursday is just strait no-gi, with Friday is like a mma influenced no-gi class. I find this schedule weird but I guess the Head instructor let the students decided for another day of no gi or not, I'm not sure. I know how you feel though, when I'm in the gi I feel so lost and I'm getting tossed around likes its nothing, but when we go no-gi they lose their grips and I get to last longer rolling with me, pulling off a lot more sweeps as well.

They both have their place. Jiu Jitsu has several flavors (for lack of a better word)- Competition Jiu Jitsu, Combat (MMA) Jiu Jitsu, and "Chess"/Strategy Jiu JItsu- in these flavors, there are aspects to each game that one can only learn training with both gi and no gi. I personally try to train them equally. The single strongest benefit of Gi is that it will teach you to watch the dangerous positions that you accidentally get yourself into- in no gi, we can get out of a lot of situations because of the slippery nature of that style- in gi, if you make a mistake and your opponent locks you up in it, it is much harder to get out of. Therefore, you learn to pay close attention to the positions you get yourself into. This will benefit your no gi game a lot as you roll smaller, tighter and with less vulnerability. Just my perspective.

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Originally Posted by robert.draper

They both have their place. Jiu Jitsu has several flavors (for lack of a better word)- Competition Jiu Jitsu, Combat (MMA) Jiu Jitsu, and "Chess"/Strategy Jiu JItsu- in these flavors, there are aspects to each game that one can only learn training with both gi and no gi. I personally try to train them equally. The single strongest benefit of Gi is that it will teach you to watch the dangerous positions that you accidentally get yourself into- in no gi, we can get out of a lot of situations because of the slippery nature of that style- in gi, if you make a mistake and your opponent locks you up in it, it is much harder to get out of. Therefore, you learn to pay close attention to the positions you get yourself into. This will benefit your no gi game a lot as you roll smaller, tighter and with less vulnerability. Just my perspective.

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Exactly, and it just depends on what you like... I like Gi, and No-Gi, none are superior to the other, because they are slightly different games IMO, and both are fun.

I dont think Eddie was being serious ... lol Not many "guards' in the UFC are amazing and scary. Eddie shared his excellent opinion on the state of jiu jitsu in MMA today at the Michigan seminar I attended. MMA is lacking drilling !!! :)

I'd like to play devil's advocate, and suggest that the comment is misunderstood and overused. Gi slows down your game because of friction, which can mke things easier or tougher (both can be useful). It's harder to smash through a guard, pull out of an armbar, or slip in a quick d'arce when there is all that material - even RNCs are much tougher. Plus, it's harder to advance position because as you open up, it's easier for someone to grab some random grip and slow you down while they recover guard.

So, because of that, when you drill these moves, your technique has to be more precise, or they won't work. The idea is that you perfect your technique while doing the techniques. It's no different than when you learn a new move, and do it real slow the first few times. Say you are having a hard time escaping armbars. Spend a few weeks trying to slip your elbow out in a gi - if you can do it, then it will be extra easy to pull out in no-gi. It can also make it easier to practice: can't hit that butterfly hook sweep when rolling? Try it with a belt grip, find the angles, drill, then try again without the grip and adjust.

Then there are the other advantages, though I will admit they are minor. The gi is heavy and hot, and screws with your cardio and body temp, which can improve training. Also, in a real street fight, nobody wears a full gi, but usually someone is wearing a hoodie, jacket, etc. Cross chokes work in real life, and help set up armbars when they don't. People wear belts.

I'm not saying "gi is right, no-gi is wrong". I love no-gi. And if you prefer no-gi, maybe cross chokes by looping the gi around the body are not for you. Maybe just roll in the gi without using grips, just to increase friction. Maybe work on defending your neck better and keeping your chin tucked, since your opponent can capitalize quicker when you don't. Maybe do your next set of 100 burpies in the gi, and see how your cardio would hold up in a hot bar wearing jeans and a leather jacket. Basically, focus on training no-go through the gi, rather than training for gi. With the right mentality, I guarantee you learn something new from it.

Lol @Eddies Sarcasm, although I bet Aoki wrecks it in bellator tonight via solid nogi fundamentals. First round heal hook all day. Watch out for "the actual collar".

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Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo

The gi totally makes ur nogi tighter, just look at all the amazing guard work in the UFC, it's soooo tight :-)

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Yeah about as tight as my ex girlfriend. I'm in the same situation I train at a Gracie Barra school. I love my proffesor but I hate that we never do no gi. Like everyone else is saying I just pretend I can't grab their gi and roll like I'm going no gi, using double under hooks and all that jazz.

Rolling in the Gi makes your defense tighter, I prefer working everything else No-Gi however.

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Originally Posted by josh sullivan

Dats da GI thats Jiu Jitsu!

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Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo

The gi totally makes ur nogi tighter, just look at all the amazing guard work in the UFC, it's soooo tight :-)

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The ufc band the gi just like they did Kung fu, there a bunch of pussies..lol

The truth is that Greco Roman Wrestlers do not train Judo to make their Greco wrestling better. Same should be true of BJJ, but it hasn't been around in no-gi form as long as wrestling, so most people do not look at it that way.

It takes time to learn and get good at techniques. If you use your time to learn and get good at a gi-technique, that was time that you could have spent on learning and getting good at a no-gi technique. Bottom line.