Check it out if you haven't. Ken Flo and Manny show some REALLY good moves. And Blackened Kill Symphony makes a comeback. :)
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Check it out if you haven't. Ken Flo and Manny show some REALLY good moves. And Blackened Kill Symphony makes a comeback. :)
yes it was yet another great episode. Thanks Eddie. :-)
Lots of info from Manny. I'm gonna have to rewatch this at home where I can rewind and play back a few times. I liked Kenny's entry, only thing that I feel he missed (it's ingrained in my mind) is hugging the knee to control the leg. Manny's preference of laying on the leg is an interesting option too because I find myself in that position every so often but I always work to adjust myself to the way I was taught. This shows me that I can finish even if I'm in that position. It also avoids my instinct of reaping the knee. And finishing belly down looks like it has a ton of leverage.
Awesome episode. I loved Manny's energy. Excited teachers are always fun to learn from. Joey's bit was funny as usual. How could I forget Renato and Glover. That was hilarious. I still need to finish the episode, but so far, it's a great one.
Good material. Can't wait to go back and rewatch without being distracted by things like work. Pesky work always interfering with my jiu jitsu. LOL.
Yeah, Manny LOVES showing his shit, I'm super curious as to what Herzog thinks of his 50/50 escapes :)
Fantastic episode!
I can't wait to start trying some of this material out :)
Not a fan of the intro clip... but the techs shown are gold as always! Watching now while I work.
Awesome episode! lmao at Eddie's leg lock yells!
Yeah Manny looks like his squeeze is tight even when he goes light.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack LaBarge
this ^^^ and other Herzog comments. I think he said "no, no" to a position I just learned in a Herzog TWIR edisode. I need to rewatch both to compare.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo
Look forward to Herzog comments. Thanks Eddie. Another great addition to my "summer of leg locks 2012"
The intro clip should have been unnecessary. It really is knowledge that should be common as fuck that we should have all seen or heard a long, long time ago.
Fact that its news to most people is scary. (I better leave alone just how scary...)
As for the rest of the episode, its really pleasing personally that this is a leglock episode cus its an area of my game I'm desperate to improve on.
I lost my last match to a footlock and have been pestering Mick Broster and Chris Herzog for tips on the leg game ever since, as well as watching lots of Palhares setups and putting time aside to drill leg stuff only with some of my training partners before classes etc.
This episodes gonna get put on repeat forever or until I'm happy my leg game is at least close to the standard of the rest of my game.
So really appreciate this episode Eddie, thanks.
Love the episode. I really like how manny turned his opponent over using that heel grab in the half guard kneebar segment. I've always tried to just push on the hip (with limited success) so I'll be giving this a shot over the next few weeks.
One question for the group, I've always finished my kneebars with my head ON TOP of the foot (foot pinned against the ear.) I have found this is the best way for me as it prevents my opponent from rotating his foot to escape the kneebar (can't rotate your foot if it's pinned under/against my head.). Manny was finishing the kneebar with foot on top of head. anyone else have any thought around this? Anyone use both methods to finish? I've never had any luck finishing with the foot on top...they rotate an I have to bail an go heel hook or toe hold.
Killer Episode! For whatever dumb reason, I hadn't been subscribed to the 'viewing' membership, and just seeing the preview of the episode got me signed up. Now, along with the amazing stuff in this last episode...I need to go back and horde & take in the rest of the information from other episodes.
Any notables I should check out sooner-than-later?
Theres no doubt its effective. However hugging the knee neutrualizes that escape.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo
At 8:34 of this video, I show how to counter to the Manny Escape(corkscrew escape) as its happening.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtlpTWCGJJs
My major concern with doing the "Manny Escape" is when he pushes the leg to the floor he puts you into the position you want to finish the inverted heel hook. I always want to be on my outside hip in 50/50 (I explain it early in the above video and demonstrate why) as I want to keep his legs exposed as I hide my own. When he pushes the knee to the floor you'll have to continue to squeeze with the top leg, it doesn't negate the squeeze it actual puts you in the position to finish. If he can get his knee to the floor great he escaped the heel hook, but he opened the door for the knee crush.
My personal strategy is one of a "attacking defense" (one that threatens a finish and causes a reaction that I have planned responses/paths for) vs. a "passive defense" (one thats based a non threatening movement).
When someone attacks me with 50/50 I immediately want to put them on the defensive and make them pay for putting me there. Rather than trying to escape in a manner they are likely prepared for. I don't like to be chased, I like doing the chasing.
I always do the foot between the head and the floor, harder to grab their own foot to defend the knee bar.Quote:
Originally Posted by VJ Bella
He actually said it was "extra work". I'm ok with puttin in a little bit of extra work to have complete isolation of both hips, anyone thats felt a tight "knee knot" will understand the helpless feeling of an emanate submission far before ones even applied. That kind of control is worth the effort.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg W
Hhhmm interesting response Herzee.
If you were going against a 250 dude who is INSANE with 50/50, so insane that you have to be on full escape mode or else he will for sure tap you, what escape would you use?
Glad to see you're facing your leg-lock fears, Eddie. I really love this episode because of Manny's IBJJF-friendly approach to leg-locks. Not that I'm a fan of IBJJF rules, mind you, but I'm more likely to practice moves that I'm allowed to use in local tournaments. Plus, he made ankle-locks look cool again.
Knowing dude has an insane 50/50, my first priority would be the same as if it would be when rolling with a RG master, avoid it at all cost.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo
If in the 50/50 position I would immediately go into attack mode (Outside wedge and work the hell out of the inverted heel hook). My resonsoning is this when mastering a positioning most people spend their reps drilling attacks, they are generally better offensively then they are defensively. If he a 50/50 master hes likely spent more time trying to finish people from that position then escaping it. The window of oppertunity for a passive defense is small and the conditions (getting the knee to the floor in the corkscrew/manny escape) have to be near perfect. However the second I go on the offensive I change the mindset of my opponent and he has to now worrry about defending which could now give me the oppertunity to use a passive defense ie. the Manny Escape.
In short, attack first then create that window of oppertunity to spin and manny escape. If I get the sub, great. If not he will have to respect the attack enough to defend it, which at that moment in time he is not attacking me, leaving me that window of oppertunity to spin, knee down and Manny Escape. Just keep in mind, spinning escapes expose the back, and the potential knee/calf crush as well.
Break it...break it...break it....down Herzog! Great posts.
I'm definitely not a master of this position, but I do enjoy attacking with the 50/50. When someone uses this escape with me, I have been having great success with the exact thing Herzog is talking about. He taught that catch when he was here during the leg lock camp. It leads right into a brutal knee crush. Just like anything, it's a timing issue. And you gotta be sure to really capture their heel tightly. They end up dragging you across the room as they try to escape.
I believe Scott Yockel just had Dan Swift caught up in that knee crush during their last match, didn't he? I can't remember the exact entry he used though.
Scott used it with the Reaper entry as did Charles Oliveira. Its almost the same entry to the crush off the corkscrew escape, same concept however the positioning is whats slightly diffrent. Its just you're attacking the inside leg vs. outside leg, it works from either style of attackQuote:
Originally Posted by Brandon Mccaghren
(50/50 or Reaping).
Yeah that was it. He went for his patented failed single to reaper. When Swift spun out he went for the knee crush.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Herzog
Drilled the shit out of Manny's kneebar from half guard this morning. Great setup.
Emphasis on squeezing the knees to control the trapped leg is obviously massive.
Drilled the kneebar, then the toe hold he shows on the free leg over and over and over, as you do.
Going back to the kneebar I found myself instinctively going to the toe hold on the trapped leg this time; the one I was setting up for the kneebar.
Anyone else see this as a stronger move, or equally as strong at least? Is there something I am missing that makes the kneebar higher percentage? I just found that combining the kneebar movement with the toe hold hand grip at the top and simultaneously hyper extending the knee and twisting in the toe hold made for a really strong, effortless sub.
I can never get a toe hold on a straight leg.
Mike try folding it first (think someone rolling their ankle walking off a curb)the rotate it, and make sure it tight to your core so its your body doing the roation not your arms.
Gotcha, thanks bro Montana.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Herzog
what sweep does eddie use on manny ?