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Ok need a little help with this my rolling partner runs side control hip down on me almost exactly opposite of twister side control. So hes facing me this makes it very difficult to shrimp in and gain a half guard back. Hes very good at taking kimuras and such from here. My only usual out is going to my stomach and rolling when he goes to take my back but if i cant catch a lock down in the roll i end right back in a side control position. Any suggestions?
Are we talking judo side control?
Personally I would try to bait him into mounting me and work escape from alcatraz right into lockdown half guard because that's my favorite escape. Probably not the best plan but that's just what I'd do haha. :)
yea i really like Alcatraz too. problem he knows this and just sits there waiting looking for arm locks i might add in hes 170 and 6'4 so very lanky i know not all people are gonna be able to hit the arm locks from here but i like to be prepared. and not sure what judo side is :/ hes got hip turned down riding hard with the leg of hip side down posting up by my head then his top leg is back if you can visualize that
He's facing you? Like Kesa Gatame or a scarf hold?
Create a frame and work for your under hook or bridge and roll to either sweep if he's high or force im to post. Then either frame or underhook. Generally you gotta get on your side and stack your shoulders(Zog) to escape side control. You can also try to catch his top leg for a twister if he's loose but it will force him to defend regardless, then frame and underhook. Set it up. Or else you will just gas trying to explode into his leverage from his underhook.
underhook-->bump-->take the back
Bobby's tip is very good. Also Try framing with your forearm on his face and pushing his head back to snag it with your leg, if your arm is in front. he will defend this but might open up other oppourtunities and keep him too busy to go for sub right away. If it is under his arm push on the back of his head and try and drive his face to the mat as you turn onto your side into him. You can get up to a dogfight position from here. That pushing on the back of the head is very key for me.
here is a vid for leg/head squeez:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G89T-SVVY5M
This is the head push, I actually cup my hand at the base of his skull and push but this works also. I use the leg one first ,as he mentions is this vid, to get him to lower his head, then I just keep is moving in the direction he already wants it to go, he can't stop it until it hits the floor, I can never get out the back door on bigger guys, because they whizzer, but almost always get to dogfight, and use all of Eddies dogfight stuff from there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3fRisw0_RA
Thank you greg very helpful. Like i said most other people are not a problem but his length just seems to be hard to over come sometimes. I'm trying to prepare for NAGA next month so the more i can drill the better. Also i Frequent St.Ignace through out the summer maybe i can make it up for some training sometime this summer :)
I like this. Kesa Gatame is a pain in the ass when you've got a larger guy on top of you. They can't threaten with much, but boy can they stall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg W
David, of course you are welcome anytime, we love visitors, don't get them up here very often. I can always call a "special training session" if you visit during a time when we aren't on the mat. My team is always asking for more BJJ time. Our gym is kinda off the map and nearly impossible to find. Make sure you PM me if your coming.Quote:
Originally Posted by DavidHamp
I train with a 190 monster wrestler that loves this position. If I rest for a second he rips an arm off. I fire off all the escape attemps in rapid sequence to force him to defend each one. He usually lands with his head up, I push it back and try to use my legs,he tucks his head forward, I push it to the floor, sometimes he defends but his hip comes off the floor slightly and I can slide my hip it to roll him backwrds like the second half of the first video, he defends and his head comes up again, and I start all over with the sequence. He at least can't attack very well and he might get sloppy. I would think a tall lanky fellow would give up some space somewhere more easily than a short, stocky, musclular wrestler.
you would be suprised its my coach/training partner we learn alot of the 10th planet stuff off each other but he was an all state wrestler so hes strong to rides super tight. sometimes if im lucky i can pimp arm his hip and push hard enough to squirm out to the side and we end up in dog fight i pulled to of the tuck rolls from there yesterday to land in side control. my problem i'm 270 and 5'11 no where near muscle bound lol i'm surprisingly flexible and quick for my size. i do know the rubber guards flow which is funny to see me try but my bread and butter is lockdown and side control. as of lately i been really drilling butterflys and darce chokes too i worked on being so defensive like a year so i'm decent at some subs but i dont attack like i should.
ha i love this spot have been trying to give it up for twister side>truck position but when all else fails run this side control give them a little space to sit up into you catch the leg over there head and figure 4 it and attack the arm on the other side....most people tap just from the figure 4 but that just may be cause there stuck by my balls lmao
that was in response to davids post
Tons of things you can threaten from in Modified Scarf Hold/Judo Side Control. You just do see alot of it in Jiu Jitsu as its not as common a position.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Stager
Heres an old Judo Side Control escape vid I did for Ari and Sub 101 over 4 years ago:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuTz9RAMATk
i feel stupid sometimes that i do some of these moves regularly and dont know the names of the moves. Also TREXing has changed my whole jj game :) Thank you coach zog. You as always are a wealth of information.
There is a side control reversal from there where you trap their underhook arm with yours on the same side, then use your other hand to push on his high shoulder, then hip into him (like you are shrimping in the wrong direction) and roll to top side control. It rarely ever works for me, but they will base back into you, and it opens a pretty big whole where there is no weight, where you can shrimp the proper way and get your knee in. At the very least, he will end up in regular side control, where you can work your game.
I'm getting caught in this same position but my training partner threaten with the kimura and triangle choke. Going to drill the escapes Greg W. posted
Agreed with Zog 100%. My teamate attacks both arms a couple of different ways and will catch the triangle on occasion!! Not a fun place to hang out!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Herzog
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Originally Posted by Chris Herzog
Hmm, I stand corrected. It's weird because I knew you had a video about modified scarf hold attacks, but I remember passing on it because I thought it was full of goon moves. No disrespect intended. I hold your videos in high esteem, and TWIR is my favorite jiu-jitsu series on youtube. But when I saw the reverse arm-triangle I thought, "Well, that looks like it would be really uncomfortable for my training partners, but someone would tough that out in competition," and moved on. Having re-watched the video in its entirety, I really like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Herzog
...but I still wonder about the reverse arm-triangle. Is it a pain move, or can someone pass out from it?
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Originally Posted by David Stager
Not sure how you find goon moves outta that ;) The way I teach the kimura requires little to no strength, as with the side triangle/kimura combo as well. The standard kimura requires far more strength to accomplish the submission.
The reverse arm triangle is not a pain move at all, its a strangulation(blood choke), they will go to sleep. If it hurts them, you're not doing it right. The only reason they should feel any pain at all, is if they have horrible shoulder flexibility, and thats you're opponents problem, not yours.
I think I'm using "goon move" incorrectly, then. I thought it meant any sort of pain-compliance move that was used with the intention of getting a tap instead of as a setup to something else. I take your point about shoulder flexibility, which is probably why I thought the reverse arm-triangle wasn't a choke. By the way, what do you think of "the original twister" demonstrated below, which bears some resemblance to the reverse arm triangle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW9RByBpPP4&feature=BFa&list=FLemu7ofMkFoW GyMrFIUMszg
Bobby Rivers is dropping science.Quote:
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Just awesome...Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Herzog
O-Man, reverse arm triangle is my #1 move when I take mount from twister side control. Get a good twister side with your elbow in his arm pit, take mount, swim with your arm low so his arm is caught in you armpit, swing your arm around his head and your there. Keep your head low, if he defends and gets the arm out your right in mounted regular head and arm, finish like
Eddie teaches. #1 reason why I use twister side control.....
If you like this top position, there are at least five more solid attacks in addition to Zogs video!!! Certainly more than enough to have solid attack game from here.
Oh theres a ton more, thats just one of many series I teach from there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg W
theres a twister for that :)