Dan Hardy Wins by SUB or KO?

I'm super stoked to see Hardy fight again on Saturday. He's one of my favorite fighters to watch. He's been on a rough losing streak but imo he's still one of the best welterweights in the world. I would love to see him win by KO but that doesn't seem like the best strategy especially after watching Ludwig put on a clinic against Sadollah plus he has the fastest KO in UFC history so maybe it's time for Hardy to take the fight to the ground. Hardy has been saying to wants to stand and bang and see who drops first but I'm thinking this is to get Ludwig to not think about the takedown. Is Dan still a purple belt? Where does he train his jiu jitsu now? 10th planet still? I think he's gonna start standing but if he starts to lose the stand up exchanges then he's gonna shoot a double and work for a sub. If he stands, the counter back kick may be crucial. He landed a beautiful one right to Akihiri Gono's sternum in his first UFC fight so I hope he employs that in this fight because Duane loves to follow the one two hand combo with a body or head roundhouse kick so hopefully Dan's Tae Kwon Do instincts kick in. I hope to see some rubber guard in this fight too. You got this shit Dan!!!! How do you guys imagine this fight playing out?

Sorry but Dan is not going to win.

Dan winning by a ko is a joke; right? That would never happen. Dan trains with Ricky Lundell. Now he's finally trying to add wrestling to his game.

I hope Bang KO's Danny!

Bang!!!!!!

Dan is a really cool guy and will win by ko or decision !

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Originally Posted by Jon Aldridge

Dan is a really cool guy and will win by ko or decision !

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I like Dan and he has very good standup. But Bang is on another level as far as striking. What Marcelo Garcia is to Jiu Jitsu. Bang is to striking!!! Dan will not win by ko!

I agree as far as technique but dan has the power and if he lands a good shot bang will go out. I wouldnt be surprised if Dan tried tapping bang

People are counting Hardy out but I think he has a good chance. In fact I like this fight i think it is 50/50, and I think both guys are great, and stylistically it is a good match up. If you look at their records Ludwig has been tko'd and ko'd quite a bit more than Hardy. That may be catching up with him. He was even beaten by Daley, who is one of Hardys closest friends and long time training partners. Plus Hardy will be so hungry for this W. I know his recent record has been bad but I think he has turned a corner from listening to his interviews and stuff. He certainly seems to be taking the wrestling etc more seriously. Also I can think of a few fighters now that lost 3 or 4 fights in a row then come back and got some w's.
This is Mma, anything can happen. :-)

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Originally Posted by Sam Sales

People are counting Hardy out

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I'm routing for Bang! Will he win...it depends on Hardys strategy. Dan's best chance to win is to use his Jiu Jitsu.

Most tko's need to be taken out of the equation. The majority of tkos are from ground n pound not stand up. Its kind of a flawed stat.

As far as stand up goes who has Dan really KO!! Take the G-N-P tkos out of it. Maybe 2 or 3 in the middle to lower ranks (fighters). Bang has fought and ko much higher caliber standup guys. Sure anything could happen in a fight, your right. But, Bang will put a clinic on Dan if it remains standing.IMO

Dan has been working with Ricky "the Hybrid" Lundell who's a "so called genius" with combining wrestling with BJJ. So I have a feeling its going to the ground.

I'm looking forward to watching this fight!!!

Both fighters have their ties to 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu

Unfortunately for Dan, I don't think he can handle the BANG.

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Originally Posted by Sam Sales

People are counting Hardy out but I think he has a good chance. In fact I like this fight i think it is 50/50, and I think both guys are great, and stylistically it is a good match up. If you look at their records Ludwig has been tko'd and ko'd quite a bit more than Hardy. That may be catching up with him. He was even beaten by Daley, who is one of Hardys closest friends and long time training partners. Plus Hardy will be so hungry for this W. I know his recent record has been bad but I think he has turned a corner from listening to his interviews and stuff. He certainly seems to be taking the wrestling etc more seriously. Also I can think of a few fighters now that lost 3 or 4 fights in a row then come back and got some w's.

This is Mma, anything can happen. :-)

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My thoughts exactly mate.......just a bit more in depth lol

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Originally Posted by Jack LaBarge

I'm routing for Bang! Will he win...it depends on Hardys strategy. Dan's best chance to win is to use his Jiu Jitsu.

Most tko's need to be taken out of the equation. The majority of tkos are from ground n pound not stand up. Its kind of a flawed stat.

As far as stand up goes who has Dan really KO!! Take the G-N-P tkos out of it. Maybe 2 or 3 in the middle to lower ranks (fighters). Bang has fought and ko much higher caliber standup guys. Sure anything could happen in a fight, your right. But, Bang will put a clinic on Dan if it remains standing.IMO

Dan has been working with Ricky "the Hybrid" Lundell who's a "so called genius" with combining wrestling with BJJ. So I have a feeling its going to the ground.

I'm looking forward to watching this fight!!!

Both fighters have their ties to 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu

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Hi, sorry I should have been clearer. I was kinda talking about damage received and the long term affects when talking about the ko and tko stats. Ludwig has been finished with strikes 5 or 6 times I think, whereas Hardy just once I believe. Catches up with you eventually. I think Hardy will be in slightly better shape too.
Definitely agree though, Hardy should just shoot on him ASAP, it is his best chance. :-)

Bang will break Hardy I am sorry.

Close fight could go either way but Dan Hardy takes this I think.

Dan Hardy's days as a UFC fighter end tomorrow night, sorry to Say. BANG has excellent striking, improved takedown defense and has been "working on my jiu-jitsu on a daily basis". His camp also appears to be confident in his improvement on the ground. Dan Hardy hasn't shown anything impressive to me since his loss to GSP. Your only as good as your last few fights. And Dan has gone 0-4 now.. whereas Bang is 2-2 and looked impressive against Neer even in that loss. Hardy will be overwhelmed by Bang's more diverse and crisper striking and will take home a black eye and a pink slip.

I got Hardy by decision

No TKOs aren't a flawed stat. The fighter gets dazed from a strike and then goes down. If the ref wasn't in the cage then the other guy would just get pounded unconscious so it's basically the same as a KO it just spares the other fighter the punishment. Dan has got KO power. Remember Rory Markham? He had Lytle who has never been finished on wobbly legs. He had Swick and Davis dazed really bad too.

I've got Bang by dec.

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Originally Posted by Chris Herzog

I've got Bang by dec.

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I wouldnt be disappointed if that happened instead. Bang seems to be the more technical striker so as long as he dictates the pace he could take this one very easily. Just for some reason I picture Hardy moving forward more therefore looking more active and how ignorant most judges are, taking the decision

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Originally Posted by Andrew T

No TKOs aren't a flawed stat. The fighter gets dazed from a strike and then goes down. If the ref wasn't in the cage then the other guy would just get pounded unconscious so it's basically the same as a KO it just spares the other fighter the punishment. Dan has got KO power. Remember Rory Markham? He had Lytle who has never been finished on wobbly legs. He had Swick and Davis dazed really bad too.

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I thought KO power, is actually KO a person out, not dazing people. I think we a difference of opinion. Hitting someone, and the lights go out is knock out power. Never heard a fighter say they daze a lot of fighters when they fight.

Yes, TKO's are a flawed stat in mma. When people talk about power striking. Here's why I think your wrong Andrew. You use the example of (The fighter gets dazed from a strike and then goes down.) Many tko's don't happen that way. So your example has them standing and banging and one guy gets caught, goes down, and the other guy gnp him into a tko. OK... how about all the times when both fighter are already on the ground. One guy transitions into a dominant position on the ground ( crucifix, mount, trapped against the cage, etc.) then the dominant fighter starts striking his opponent (doesn't even have to be hard) and the guy on the bottom can't defend. So the referee stops the fight by tko... The flawed part of tko's that I was talking about earlier. When looking at peoples record and you see tko you have watch the fights again to see how it really ended because as I stated before Hardy doesn't have many ko's against near top level guys. You mention Markham; ok give some more of his premium ko's against somebody decent. I only see 1 maybe 2 more.

I do believe Hardy has KO power. I was just comparing Hardy & Bang. I don't know if this made any sense and I'm to tired to reread it. So I will leave with a little Nick Diaz, A, whatever....Cesar Gracie Jiu Jitsu!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ioo3IrE6aE

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Told you all lol

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Originally Posted by Jon Aldridge

Told you all lol

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Yes, you were right. As I insert my foot in my mouth:)

I see your point Jack but TKOs are still pretty much the same as KOs. Look at Hardy's victory tonight. A KO is a one hitta quitta i get it but a TKO would eventually result in a fighter being out if the ref wasn't there. If the ref wasn't in the cage with Kimbo and Roy, Roy would have eventually knocked him out even though it would have been brutal and hard to watch. Just like Matt Hughes crucifixed BJ and pounded him out. The ref intervenes and prevents the fighter from going out which is what would inevitably happen. So they classify Dan's win tonight as a KO even though he landed like 4 elbows after he clipped Duane on the jaw...how is it a KO if the ref had to intervene and stop the punishment? what separates a KO from a TKO?

Well Dan you made me eat my words.

As well as you Jon, but for saving face sake it was a fluke! (kidding)

Haha thats fine dude :)

Was a great fight. Hardy was a real gent with his victory speech too. :-)

Hardy is still a bitch for his comments on Matt Hughes..

Everybody see what Hardy did to Bang with that elbow he nailed him with after dropping him?

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Just a warning if you cant stand the site of open wounds then def dont look

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Originally Posted by Cody Kietzman

Hardy is still a bitch for his comments on Matt Hughes..

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Over in america you have a bit of a different view on hunting than most british people.

Over here most people would think Hughes is a bitch for being pleased he shot a bear

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Originally Posted by Jon Aldridge

Over in america you have a bit of a different view on hunting than most british people.

Over here most people would think Hughes is a bitch for being pleased he shot a bear

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Well i don't want to start the always fun who's country is better debate...this is the way i think about it, the hunting process is more humane than the slaughterhouse process...

The hunting is the last hing that bothers me about Matt Hughes. The constantly ramming of his religious beliefs down peoples necks makes me sick. Especially when he was a TUF coach. Hate people like that. Sure be religious if that is your thing, but don't force it on people for fucks sake. :-)

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Originally Posted by Sam Sales

The hunting is the last hing that bothers me about Matt Hughes. The constantly ramming of his religious beliefs down peoples necks makes me sick. Especially when he was a TUF coach. Hate people like that. Sure be religious if that is your thing, but don't force it on people for fucks sake. :-)

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Exactly why I love watching him get ktfo

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Originally Posted by Sam Sales

The hunting is the last hing that bothers me about Matt Hughes. The constantly ramming of his religious beliefs down peoples necks makes me sick. Especially when he was a TUF coach. Hate people like that. Sure be religious if that is your thing, but don't force it on people for fucks sake. :-)

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Agreed.

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Had to do it.

Being a devote follower of any religion is akin to insanity

I dont see why there's any reason to hate an insane person, not on the sole principal of their beliefs at least.

Pity them? Possibly. Try to understand the motivations behind the personal choice they have made to be insane? No doubt. But hate em? Na, why create that kind of energy?

As for Matt Hughes his problem goes way beyond his religious beliefs.

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Originally Posted by Chris Garry

Being a devote follower of any religion is akin to insanity

I dont see why there's any reason to hate an insane person, not on the sole principal of their beliefs at least.

Pity them? Possibly. Try to understand the motivations behind the personal choice they have made to be insane? No doubt. But hate em? Na, why create that kind of energy?

As for Matt Hughes his problem goes way beyond his religious beliefs.

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That may be i just disagree with Hardy's views on hunting.

I doubt Dan really believes that. Maybe he does but I think he was just talking shit to get that fight like how he was talking shit about Marcus Davis not really being Irish. Psychological warfare.

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Originally Posted by Andrew T

I doubt Dan really believes that. Maybe he does but I think he was just talking shit to get that fight like how he was talking shit about Marcus Davis not really being Irish. Psychological warfare.

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Makes sense