Should heavyweights train kickboxing the same as the rest of us?

I’m not a striking coach or a heavyweight, so I didn’t feel I had the knowledge to speak on this matter. A heavyweight MMA fighter who has been training his ground game with us said he doesn’t feel like he can kickbox realistically. He feels that if he throws a cross, knee, elbow or back-leg round kick in training, even against another heavyweight and sparring with big gloves that is would “end the training day”.

He says if he pulls the cross, he’s “doing it wrong” and it would be better for him not to do it at all… So no live training at all, basically? My thoughts were he could do it right and take enough off of it to keep everyone safe, but what do I know about being a heavyweight kick boxer? How should he train?

Im not a heavyweight either but that doesnt make sense to me. Has he had experience in the past of hurting training partners that has led to this theory?

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Originally Posted by Brent Smith

Im not a heavyweight either but that doesnt make sense to me. Has he had experience in the past of hurting training partners that has led to this theory?

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No, not that I know of. He’s knocked a guy out quick in competition before. He’s been mainly hitting the mitts for his striking now, don’t know what to say… Maybe there is a magical detail or something for him?… But yeah, not making sense to me either, I thought I’d ask though.

All the top Heavyweight boxers and Elite K1 (kickboxers) all train live. Maybe he doesn't like to get hit.

Yes, and he's full of shit, he needs to spar live like everyone else. If you don't spar you don't get better period. Timing, distance and, proper head movement ,etc. all need to be mastered while sparring. Its no different than rolling is to Jiu Jitsu, diffrent components, but all for the same reasons. Theres several types of sparring as well body work , lite sparring, hard sparring, etc. All have their merrits. But being a "fighter" and not sparring, is plain stupid.

Mike Tyson can live spar, but old Billy Bob down at the local gym is too dangerous to mix it up? Mmmkay.

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That's the sort of dude that tells everyone his hands are registered as a lethal weapon.

I've seen loads of guys here in Thailand look phenomenal on the mitts and bag, but look like shit when they spar and hardly ever do it. The game is totally different when someone is throwing punches and kicks back at you.

Also Saenchai the greatest Muay Thai fighter alive right now says the best way to get technically good is slow sparring (timing) everyday.

He probably worries about it being unrealistic if he doesnt like to be hit and cant avoid being hit without throwing full power to scare people out of engaging with him. Sounds like an excuse to avoid something or maybe he doesnt really know the importance of all the different types of sparring. Has he fought before. If he has then he must have a 100% knockout percentage cuz hes so powerful and dangerous

Im a heavyweight (6"2, and about 280 pounds) and i have never had a problem sparring hard with anyone, im sure all padded up with 16 or 18oz gloves on he wont be really hurting people, unless he only spars with lighter weights !

Sounds like he hasn't figured out how to control his power or he is afraid that he doesn't have control of his power. Like Herzog said it is very important to spar cause your timing etc wont be there without it.

A heavyweight who can fight like a lightweight is a dangerous, dangerous fighter!

i cant spare at my gym because my hands are registered as deadly weapons. I once killed a man.

speaking from 20 years of experience and training with steven seagal in death punching.

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Originally Posted by charlemange august k.

i cant spare at my gym because my hands are registered as deadly weapons. I once killed a man.

Speaking from 20 years of experience and training with steven seagal in death punching.

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hahaha.

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Originally Posted by Charlemange August K.

i cant spare at my gym because my hands are registered as deadly weapons. I once killed a man.

speaking from 20 years of experience and training with steven seagal in death punching.

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This is glorious!

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Originally Posted by John Mejia

This is glorious!

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You forgot the monthly private lesson on round house kicks from Chuck Norris. Sparring is not only out of the question it's illegal for Charlemange.

I'm no hvy weight, and don't do any MT. But I am at a gym full of MT guys on a regular basis and completely agree with ZOG. There are some HUGE dudes that spar all the time. Some 200 pound killers spar against 140 lb girls and use good form and technique while doing it and do not hurt the girls.

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Originally Posted by Troy White

A heavyweight who can fight like a lightweight is a dangerous, dangerous fighter!

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I spar with alot of lightweights for this reason ! I cant catch the little shits haha :) but im getting closer so it does make you quicker