Did Guida get f****d by the mma judges?

Okay so his style was wierd, creative and at times boring... but he controlled the first 15 minutes with it and kept the final 2 rounds fairly close.
So in my opinion, Guida deserved the 48-47 win. It was weird, but it was obviously effective. Maynards face was certainly more busted up than Clay's was. Maynard went for power, but Guida landed twice as much, and bloodied him up nicely. He backpedaled and ran at times to reset, but hey. Apparently in MMA you can't fight smart anymore. Congratulations on fighting smart, oh wait. You cant do that anymore. Nevermind.
Maybe Guida and Pac-Man should start a petition for terrible judges.
What did you guys think? Am I wrong and putting too much stock in effective strikes and intrigue, or do I need to work on my bloodlust.

At times?
That was worse than the Condit fight.
Condit might of fight boringly, but he won.

Guida, eh...he turned tail and rain.
It wasn't till Grey dropped his hands that he marched forward, and what happened then?
Almost got submitted.
The rest of the fight was 90% running, and stalling in each position.


He could of won that fight by split, but I don't think anything thinks he deserved to win.

I see the argument against Guida's running. But last I checked, that "hulk smash" thing Maynard did was the only time he did anything major, save for a couple clinch knees.
Guida controlled 22 of the 25 minutes while Gray just stood there and waited for Guida to come into his game. when Guida did, he got punished. But Maynard was confused, frustrated, angry, illogical, bloody and... mediocre against Guida's style. Guida was clean after 5 rounds. Bloody vs clean. Im going with the boring bouncy-ball almost every time. Unless its an American MMA Judge. In which case overhands and slams count 5000% towards victory.

no way jose (aldo)

Oh great. Here's a tweet from Dana White during the fight.
"First time I have ever seen Guida get boo'd out of the building. I am booing too!!"
Apparently, I was too interested in the strategy and style. Even Dana thought he sucked. Jesus Christ. The Boss, the BOSS of MMA, thought he was terrible.
MMA is now morphing into WWE territory. God Forbid.

Vinny Magalhaes ‏@VinnyMMA

@danawhite I don't know what fight one of the judges was watching. I saw @GrayMaynard easily taking that fight. Guida made it a shitty fight


Fully agree, at least with the shitty fight part.

How did gray win ??? He won 2 exchanges ( clinch) and a sub attempt. He did no damage to clay

You don't win fights by running. That's the first time that I've ever seen a Ref warn a fighter for running.

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Originally Posted by Soguhm

You don't win fights by running. That's the first time that I've ever seen a Ref warn a fighter for running.

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In UFC anyway.

Hope to see more of it.

I thought Gray won it 3 rounds to 2. Just because you move around more doesn't mean you're doing more. They both wiffed a ton of punches though.
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I haven't seen this fight and I'm not going to. But I have always been perplexed by all the guida love out there. His style is awful, it makes a mockery of striking in MMA when you can get away with that. The guy takes retard too far. Dominic Cruz is another one I will never watch for he same reason. Great grapplers but their anti striking routine is a joke. Men don't fight like that.

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Originally Posted by Chris Garry

I haven't seen this fight and I'm not going to. But I have always been perplexed by all the guida love out there. His style is awful, it makes a mockery of striking in MMA when you can get away with that. The guy takes retard too far. Dominic Cruz is another one I will never watch for he same reason. Great grapplers but their anti striking routine is a joke. Men don't fight like that.

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You wont be missing much

You can skip rounds 2 & 3 and the first 3 minutes of the 4th. Clay was using an unorthodox style, ok...but then what? He successfully frustrated Gray and lured him into stalking him, but then what??? He did nothing to capitalize on the situation he was creating and therefore looked VERY boring. And I'm a Clay Guida fan! But that was just something I never want to watch again. Props to Gray for controlling the center of the octagon and trying to make a fight happen. I wish he would have thrown some leg kicks in an effort to cut off the cage from Guida, for ex. fake Left Hook, right kick to the body, straight left knee up the pipe, or something to that effect. Gonna have to agree with the judges on this one.

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Originally Posted by Compella

Clay was using an unorthodox style, ok...but then what? He successfully frustrated Gray and lured him into stalking him, but then what??? He did nothing to capitalize on the situation he was creating

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This sums it up perfectly. Clay won the first and maybe the second, but after that he stopped scoring entirely. Gray landed very little until the 4th but when you have to choose between 3 Gray power punches vs Clay turning his back and running for his life, there's only one way you can go.

Guida was too afraid to commit and just flung out strikes. You throw out fast punches yeah, but there isn't any power behind it. It's also hard to generate power out of those weird angles. He should just drop down to featherweight. He is one of the smaller lightweights and the size disadvantage is obvious when he trades shots in the pocket.

what Cruz does to most of his opponents). Clay was just using his foot work to be evasive and failed at utilizing to set up any effect offense. Maynard wins it.

I think Clay actually stole a potentially entertaining fight for the fans.

i thought maynard won for the same points as everyone else said

Maybe Guida though his style would tire Maynard out in the later rounds at which point he would make his move but..... that didn't happen. so smart fighting has a place in mma, but only if you knock his ass out with it. If you don't KO him with it than everyone is just going to see you possibly as running away for the whole fight.

Ahhh damnit it, I deleted 3/4s of my post when I went to edit it. Fuck it, I'm not typing it again.

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Originally Posted by Chris Herzog

I think Clay actually stole a potentially entertaining fight for the fans.

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Whew I was worried I saw a completely different fight than everybody else. Its like Guida was trying for a Condit type game plan but ended up with an ineffective sloppy version of it. Had Guida actually engaged and landed more I would be more than happy to give it to Guida.
I loved it when Gray channeled his inner Diaz by dropping his hands to his waist and eating those 2 shots. Made me lol

Guida is just a troll, & he fools a lot of people. even kenny was buying that bulshit. & those fans screaming guida are all retards. "classic mma duesch bag fans "

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-kJtsFF19FJ...Rk/s1600/9.gif

Best part of the fight right there. For some reason its too big for me to embed

I agree that it should've been a far more exciting fight than it was. However, I think there was method to Clay's madness. I figured he'd want to spend the first couple of rounds avoiding the power advantage that Maynard brings to the fight and hope that by rounds 4 and 5 Gray was gassed, leaving openings to capitalise on, there was a lot of talk about Gray's conditioning before the fight. Unfortunately for Clay, Gray's conditioning was tip-top on the night so there was no way for him to effectively capitalise.
Personally I would've called it in favour of Clay, purely based on the number of strikes he connected with as opposed to Gray, the amount of damage he did and the takedowns that he avoided. I suppose the whole "running away" thing could be seen as a lack of aggression which may have counted against him and that guillotine was a massive threat, but he did manage to escape it.
I guess this is why they say don't leave it in the hands of the judges.

Also, what was with Gray holding onto the ponytail? That kinda seemed like a bitch move that nobody called him on.

Lame Guida does it again....bored the shit out of me.

Watching him fight for free was a rip off!

I loved what Maynard had to say after the fight - "I though Guida came here to fight?"

The crowd went from "Guida Guida Guida!" to "Maynard Maynard Maynard!"
Guida didn't win the fight, in fact, he didn't even show up to the fight.
Dancing around like a monkey for 25 minutes = another bullshit performance by Guida.
#FireGuida

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Originally Posted by Josh Mahoney

I agree that it should've been a far more exciting fight than it was. However, I think there was method to Clay's madness. I figured he'd want to spend the first couple of rounds avoiding the power advantage that Maynard brings to the fight and hope that by rounds 4 and 5 Gray was gassed, leaving openings to capitalise on, there was a lot of talk about Gray's conditioning before the fight. Unfortunately for Clay, Gray's conditioning was tip-top on the night so there was no way for him to effectively capitalise.
Personally I would've called it in favour of Clay, purely based on the number of strikes he connected with as opposed to Gray, the amount of damage he did and the takedowns that he avoided. I suppose the whole "running away" thing could be seen as a lack of aggression which may have counted against him and that guillotine was a massive threat, but he did manage to escape it.
I guess this is why they say don't leave it in the hands of the judges.

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He actually landed less strikes, as many websites have said, and he threw many that caught nothing but air.

I think he actually broke the record for worst accuracy in a fight with something like 7%?
He has no aggression, and when he was, he almost got subbed.
I would love to see more refs warn and even take points away from fighters literally turning around and running from their opponent.


Condit had this gameplan, and he actually threw strikes, landed, and flustered Diaz.
Clay just ran, which is of course annoying for his opponent, but it doesn't and shouldn't win a fight.

He could of gotten a decision, but it would of been hair thin.

He fought poorly, and wasn't his exciting action pushing self.
He is a known grinder who works people to death, this was his worst performance ever.

If that's the case, that he landed less strikes than Gray Maynard, then I'll completely retract my statement about him deserving to win. It's difficult when you're watching a fight I guess not to always have a little bias towards one of the fighters.

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Originally Posted by StephenG

Lame Guida does it again....bored the shit out of me.

Watching him fight for free was a rip off!

I loved what Maynard had to say after the fight - "I though Guida came here to fight?"

The crowd went from "Guida Guida Guida!" to "Maynard Maynard Maynard!"
Guida didn't win the fight, in fact, he didn't even show up to the fight.
Dancing around like a monkey for 25 minutes = another bullshit performance by Guida.
#FireGuida

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Clay really didnt come to fight he tried to win but his "game plan" just gave Gray the energy to keep coming foward and finish strong like he did. The last two rounds are the most important rounds. The call was right Gray had octogon control, agression and landed about the same significant strikes. its not just about landing some pussy shot then running away(like dom cruz) fighting is about hurting your opponet, making him weak and break him. This fight could have been really entertaining if Guida came to bang like he has in the past. No doubt in my mind that Gray won.

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Originally Posted by Soguhm

You don't win fights by running. That's the first time that I've ever seen a Ref warn a fighter for running.

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Originally Posted by Mitchell C

In UFC anyway.

Hope to see more of it.

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Mirgliotta warned A.Silva for running (or I guess not engaging) in his fight against Maia in Abu Dhabi.

And if that doesn't count, then certainly Starnes' fight against Quarry?

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Originally Posted by Mike Okkema

Mirgliotta warned A.Silva for running (or not engaging) in his fight against Maia in Abu Dhabi.

Also, did we forget about Starns' fight against Quarry already?

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Best part of that whole fight was when Maia got pissed off and stood in the pocket with Anderson and tried going for broke. He really was giving it everything and Anderson mocked the hell out of him.

guida sucked , but i supose he was just following someone else's gameplan !! running 5 rounds doesn't makes you control the fight you got to fight !! even if you are ilusive you must at least counter !! he was just running backwards: )