Technique Help Needed - Inverted triangle from bottom side control?

I've gotten to this inverted triangle from this bottom side control position in which I've already caught his far arm with my legs. I've made it here a few times while rolling but am unable to get a finish or sweep. My 1st instinct was to hook his leg the way I would with a regular triangle but that just makes it easy form him to hop through the N/S position right to the other side - where I lose the position.

I feel like I must have something but the only option I can see is to post up to my hand for the sweep (with inverted-triangle intact) and finish from top position. To make that happen I need to grab his right arm in front of his face a with my left hand to take his base away - then I can post up on my right hand & sweep easily. However, if he protects his hand by putting it under my legs (as in the video) it seems like he has too much base & I've got no where to go.

It sure feels like I have an advantage when I synch up that inverted triangle. Can someone please let me know if there is anywhere to go from here?

http://youtu.be/VGQzCpH6TfU

So finishing is not an option, or doesnt work? Maybe trying the teepee finish or bolt lock neck crank type deal.

With his arm under my legs he has plenty of room to breath, even when I squeeze. So I think that finishing here isn't an option - unless there is something I can do to tighten the triangle that I'm not aware of. If anyone out there can finish from here - please share the 411.

Kimura the exposed arm

cyborg teaches to go double unders body lock from there and squeeze...i finish most of my inverted triangles that way. check out some of his stuff man. might help :)

i do the same thing a lot, instead of going towards the leg like a regular triangle i try to scoot away from it, and if they try to follow you its easy to sweep into a reverse mounted triangle. Once in mount you finish by leaning your upper body forward and moving your hips back onto the arm. I'm not positive it will work for everyone as i've only had success a couple times in sparring and i've never got the chance to try it in competition. Good luck!! and let me know if you find anything better!

Thanks for the tips - I'll try both finishes from the bottom.

Josh, can you tell me how you are sweeping? I can definitely get the tap once I sweep to the top with the inverted triangle locked in. I do the exact same finish when starting from side-control top after trapping the near arm between my legs & it works great for me.

Several of my partners get me in this, and usually don't finish me or sweep. Unless, they get that far trapped arm I'm using for base. Try to pimp arm off his his hip so you can reach for that far arm. once you have that wrist you can then pull the arm hard and c-cup inside his knee and go for a toss while doing massive leg curls. Sometimes they also turn to their stomach and do a push-up, puts massive strain on my neck, then they walk their hands toward me until I roll. I can shoot video on Monday if you would like to see.

I use this all the time. You finish by pulling his far arm across his neck and arching your hips. You can get better angles by half-sweeping him so that he is on his side. But the best way to finish here is to take the far arm. You can switch between the kimura, americana, and straight arm lock. Again, half-sweep him on his side, then do it.

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Originally Posted by Greg W

...Sometimes they also turn to their stomach and do a push-up, puts massive strain on my neck, then they walk their hands toward me until I roll. I can shoot video on Monday if you would like to see.

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If you'd put a video up that would be great. I don't quite follow this part...

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Originally Posted by Michael Sioda

Josh, can you tell me how you are sweeping?

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I sweep one of two ways, the first way i try is to go away from the hips, and posting your elbow, crawling up while hipping into the person. Try this first because if it fails you don't lose position. The second way i try to sweep is to swim under their hips and spin the opposite direction with your legs. This should put them off balance and make sweeping possible. I've had more success with the second way but it is a lot riskier.

Where you are I would keep his left arm isolated. With your left hand grab the far side of his elbow. Feel for the knobs where the humorous and ulna meet. Rotate them clockwise constantly to keep the arm trapped, while you are hugging his hand/wrist with your ear and shoulder. Stay tight and extend your core till his arm is fully extended and incredibly weak. If you let up for a sec he will rotate counterclockwise and escape his arm with a 12-6 elbow type motion. Keep him trapped and adjust your right forearm to just above his elbow. Dont stop rotating and ear-hugging his arm till your in position. Then gable grip and finish the inverted armbar by sucking your elbows in and bringing your right elbow toward your left hip. Finish with your core.

I also go apeshit and wristlock a motherfucker from here. I have skinny legs and finishing the triangle from here for me is low %, so I use the triangle solely for isolation. If he escapes his elbow and sets up a strong defense, I attack kimura or bait his escape to recover guard.

Have a look over this and notice the angle of the choke and the wrist control

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Age3Y7UcgOs

Trapping the far arm (for sweep/finish), attacking the near arm with Kimura & double-unders on the body are all effective for me. It's a beautiful thing that I can go from "nowhere to go" to "love this position" in less than 48 hours. Thanks for the input 10P Family!

Bobby, I have not had the opportunity to go ape shit & wristlock any mofos but you can be damned sure that I'm going to try.

The inverted armbar is better. Apeshit is last resort:)

To finish it you swim the arm closest to your opponents body underneath and gable around the body, putting you in the north south position. From there, squeeze your knees together using your adductor muscles, and push your hips toward the sky as you simultaneously curl your legs down.

I finish this all the time when guys leave an arm in. You can also reverse arm-bar from there, and use the kimura to sweep to top position. From the top position you can either finish the choke or finish the kimura.

Try this.

GET UNDER HIM WITH A GABLE GRIP BEAR HUG, ARMS SQUEEZE PULL UP, LEGS SQUEEZE HEAD AND ARM DOWN DOWN.

Im not trying to discredit anyones options as they are all legit. The fact is you would have to release a perfect setup for the inverted armbar first to do them in this position. I would test the arm and if he escapes move on to other options. Why transition when you already have a sub in your lap?

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Originally Posted by bobby rivers

Im not trying to discredit anyones options as they are all legit. The fact is you would have to release a perfect setup for the inverted armbar first to do them in this position. I would test the arm and if he escapes move on to other options. Why transition when you already have a sub in your lap?

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+1

kimura or americana the free arm. (the one that is not in the triangle.) its just waiting there. if you ask him nicely he might just gift wrapp it for you :-)

Driiling Escapes > submissions from bad spots.

Chris, I agree, but how is a fully extended isolated arm a bad position?