Anderson Silva Vaseline Bullshit?

We all saw it, and we've seen it before from him, before every fight Anderson rubs all the vaseline from his face all over his body. I saw them wipe his chest off this time, but I hadn't seen them do that before. It's not like Anderson hides the fact that he's doing it, he was basically staring right into the camera while he did it this time.

My question is, is it legal?? If it's not legal, which is the impression I was under, then why the fuck doesn't Dana do/say something about it? I'm not trying to hate or anything and if it's not "illegal" then I'm all for it, take any advantage you can get, but if it is against the rules then why is it being brushed off as insignificant? It's clearly cheating. Anyone know the official UFC rule on the subject? What're your thoughts?

UFC 97:
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UFC 126:
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UFC 148:
Couldn't find a gif of it yet but I'm sure someone will make it soon.

Doesn't bother me tbh. Anderson wipes a little excess vaseline on his skin. Chael uses testosterone. Evens itself out in the end. Chael hasn't moaned about it at all. It was a fight.

I have definitely seen other fighters doing it before. Besides from what i was hearing in an interview recently, a LOT of fighters sleep with something or other (cant remember what it was right now - think it was a recent Mike Dolce interview) so their skin absorbs it over night, then when they start sweating and their pores open up and they are extra slippery. :-)

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Originally Posted by Sam Sales

Doesn't bother me tbh. Anderson wipes a little excess vaseline on his skin. Chael uses testosterone. Evens itself out in the end. Chael hasn't moaned about it at all. It was a fight.

I have definitely seen other fighters doing it before. Besides from what i was hearing in an interview recently, a LOT of fighters sleep with something or other (cant remember what it was right now - think it was a recent Mike Dolce interview) so their skin absorbs it over night, then when they start sweating and their pores open up and they are extra slippery. :-)

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Cocoa butter I think it was. That was from a Rogan podcast, I think it was the recent one with Eddie actually. And yea I see the argument that everyone "cheats" but I don't think that's a justification. And at the very least, don't do it so blatantly in front of the camera, just felt a little brazen to me, especially after GSP got blasted for it a few years ago.

It's illegal; kinda.

In an attempt to prevent greasing, a rule was made so that the corner had zero control over applying vaseline. Because of the grease-gate scandal with BJ Penn/GSP, only the cutmen like Stitch or Leon Tabbs were allowed to apply it prefight or in between rounds. Now here's the tricky part; I don't believe there's a rule preventing a fighter from greasing himself with the vaseline applied to his face. It's a loophole that Anderson has been abusing for a long time now. I'm really glad they noticed it this time; hopefully they'll amplify the previous rules to prevent shit like this.

Yes you are right, it was the podcast.
Well if nothing else it has brought the issue back under the spotlight. It should be addressed.
For the record, i think fighters should definitely NOT be allowed to do it. I believe there should be some kind of skin test or something. It is not fair on the jiu jitsu guys at all when guys are greased up. But as of right now i wouldn't be surprised if we see many more fighters doing it.
I definitely don't agree with it. Just making the point that in comparison to what Chael done in the first fight with the juicing it seems minor. Plus its not really relevant to the outcome of this fight anyway. IMO of course. :-)

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Originally Posted by Sam Sales

Doesn't bother me tbh. Anderson wipes a little excess vaseline on his skin. Chael uses testosterone. Evens itself out in the end. Chael hasn't moaned about it at all. It was a fight.

I have definitely seen other fighters doing it before. Besides from what i was hearing in an interview recently, a LOT of fighters sleep with something or other (cant remember what it was right now - think it was a recent Mike Dolce interview) so their skin absorbs it over night, then when they start sweating and their pores open up and they are extra slippery. :-)

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I was thinking along the same lines. Balences out the whole trt issue, in Andersons head anyway. I think Anderson had a few thousand too many Brazillians complaining to him about the disrespectful kinda racist jokes everyday for the past couple months. Maybe Chael can now go to South America without getting death threats from a feeling of being avenged by Anderson's show of anger. Sucks people take pro wrestling to be real and also take Sonnen's comments to be real, but it happens.

There is a hidden code of respect sometimes between fighters in the cage. Like I wont stomp your feet if you dont stomp mine. Most know the idea that you can kick a guy in the balls, grab the cage, poke an eye, and usually just get a warning. Sometimes things might happen to make someone decide to go down that road with someone

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Originally Posted by Matt "Gumby" Glach

We all saw it, and we've seen it before from him, before every fight Anderson rubs all the vaseline from his face all over his body. I saw them wipe his chest off this time, but I hadn't seen them do that before. It's not like Anderson hides the fact that he's doing it, he was basically staring right into the camera while he did it this time.

My question is, is it legal?? If it's not legal, which is the impression I was under, then why the fuck doesn't Dana do/say something about it? I'm not trying to hate or anything and if it's not "illegal" then I'm all for it, take any advantage you can get, but if it is against the rules then why is it being brushed off as insignificant? It's clearly cheating. Anyone know the official UFC rule on the subject? What're your thoughts?

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if you want to talk cheating start with cael's steroid use legally or not, to bad for his clumsy ass steroids don't help with your balance lol

I know a couple fighters that use cocoa butter leading up to the fight. Word on the street is it comes out of the pores when you sweat, but its all speculation. I have never done it but seems plausable. Either way the minute they start grappling the vasoline will end up getting transfered from the face to everywhere. I never have noticed it while fighting or maybe I wasnt thinking about it.

at least he didn't pull a gsp before the 2nd fight with penn at ufc 94 i think where gsp was so greased up penn's legs were sliding like crazy off him.

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Originally Posted by Andrew T

at least he didn't pull a gsp before the 2nd fight with penn at ufc 94 i think where gsp was so greased up penn's legs were sliding like crazy off him.

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Problem is BJ Penn is one of the sorest losers in combat sports. He often has a strop and complains about stuff after fights.
Shame really. As good as Bj was, i honestly feel he could have been a lw Anderson Silva/GSP, if only he had the same work ethic as those guys. :-)

Totally legal, very smart, 16 consecutive wins. Hail the Spider! I only wished he had finished it in the first...

Rewatch that fight again, the ref asks for a towel and takes off all the extra vaseline because he saw Anderson do it, or Chael's corner complained. So there was no extra grease, not that it would have mattered anyways with Chael going down like a ton of bricks from Andersons jab like every other fighter does, and eating knees to the body.

Pointing out Chaels cheating doesn't negate Anderson's. If you want to talk steroids what about the testosterone found in Anderson's house on cribs. Both are not on the up and up

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Originally Posted by Clint McDerp

Rewatch that fight again, the ref asks for a towel and takes off all the extra vaseline.

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You can't eliminate that grease with a 2 second swipe of a towel, you have to wash pretty rigorously with soap and water to eliminate it.

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Originally Posted by brent_littell

Pointing out Chaels cheating doesn't negate Anderson's.

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I wonder how those people would feel if Chael had done that much fouling in the fight and somehow won. I doubt they would be taking such a lax stance.

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Originally Posted by brent_littell

Pointing out Chaels cheating doesn't negate Anderson's. If you want to talk steroids what about the testosterone found in Anderson's house on cribs. Both are not on the up and up

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interesting. My guess is a lot of higher up guys have the money to have their levels monitored to pass a test. A number of them could higher a scientist to make something up for them, wait or would that be a chemist.

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Originally Posted by brent_littell

Pointing out Chaels cheating doesn't negate Anderson's. If you want to talk steroids what about the testosterone found in Anderson's house on cribs. Both are not on the up and up

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Interesting fact that I did not know. As well although I dont necessarily agree with TRT being allowed, it is and Chael is folloing the rules. He also got cuaght for improper paper work etc the first time, CSAC changed the allegations 3 times on him and they have never in the history of the organization ever been wrong or ruled against themselves .... just sayin. I honestly like both fighters quite a bit, but Silva did try to get away with the vaseline, probably got away with an illegal knee and repeatedly grabbed the shorts, and all Chael said was oh well officials make calls I respect them, Im not gonna argue, I probably have or will do some of these things sometime in my career, I came from a time when that stuff was allowed and I saw it coming, should have covered up..... As much of a shit talker that Chael is, he does it to sell fights and he is a pretty stand up guy. You still hear guys like Sorres saying that he went too far trying to sell the fight.... but Kizer even said that Anderson would have been fined for the fiasco at the weigh ins if Chael hadnt said dont bother, as in he was GOING to get fined without Chael backing him up. Then ya throw in the fact that Anderson has shit at his house on cribs, well doesnt that potentially mean that he is actually cheating and not just doing something like TRT which is allowable.... Either way I hope Chael sticks around hes an entertaining character at the very least, you just cant let up for a millisecond with Anderson or he capitalizes on it. Im a fan of both, just think that it wasnt as cut and dried as Silva giving Chael justice ....

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Originally Posted by Stewart Landry

Interesting fact that I did not know. As well although I dont necessarily agree with TRT being allowed, it is and Chael is folloing the rules. He also got cuaght for improper paper work etc the first time, CSAC changed the allegations 3 times on him and they have never in the history of the organization ever been wrong or ruled against themselves .... just sayin.

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:-) People keep glossing over this, but even with the correct papers etc Chaels levels would have still been over the limit. He would have still got caught for juicing in the first fight. :-)

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Originally Posted by Sam Sales

:-) People keep glossing over this, but even with the correct papers etc Chaels levels would have still been over the limit. He would have still got caught for juicing in the first fight. :-)

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I dont think the punishment is the same though, if its properly done paper work then Chael has the defense that it was a bad prescription. Its the main reason I dont like TRT being allowed, either allow sauce or dont. I dont think they would let him fight with elevated test but I dont think it would be a 6 month or year suspension either.... Im sure that there are tons of guys who have TRT who go way above and ween off it ... then if they have an elevated level they claim poor doctor dosage.

Get over it people he had too much vaseline on his face and wipped it off to get it off his hands he wipped it on his body and shorts if he was trying to cheat do you honestly think he would do it so obvious in front of the camera in the end the ref wipped him down anyway so its a non factor Chael isnt complaining about it neither should any of you he lost plain and simple quit nit picking this stuff happens in alot of fights stop hating and accept it Anderson is still the Champion.

For the record Im not hating on Anderson, but he did do a few things that would probably be complained about if Chael wasnt so mouthy. You can dislike what Cheal did to sell the fight ... but Anderson wasnt exactly professional either ... thats all Im getting across (and I like Anderson ...)

Honestly, there isn't even a tablespoon of vaseline on his (or any other fighter's) face before the fight starts. There isn't even a full tablespoon on the cutman's hand! If a miniscule amount of vaseline makes the difference between winning and losing a five-round fight at the highest level of the sport... ...well then you probably shouldn't have been in that fight in the first place. You need to go home and work on your clinch. If you can't handle a guy with that tiny amount of grease on him, how are going to do anything in the fifth round when he's REALLY sweaty and greasy? And this is MMA -- Does vaseline destroy your ability to gauge distance and timing? Does it completely negate your wrestling? If it does, you need to work on your boxing and your wrestling not your whining.

That said, c'mon Anderson. That was just silly. You're just ASKING for people to throw an absolute shit hemorrhage when you do that.

silva didn't win because he had vasaline on his chest

The tiny amount of vaseline really won't make a difference, but perhaps he just doesn't like the feel? I know the feeling of any vaseline or gel on my face (lip balm, petroleum jelly) anything like that, REEEEALY gets under my skin. He doesn't exactly grease himself up, he just takes the shit off his face and rubs it on his chest like you would if you had a shirt and wiped some shit on it. I dunno at the end of the day it's such a tiny amount.

i heard Chael say with my own ears not 5 feet from him last night its in the rules to push around what ever is left on your face where ever you like and its just one of those things and he did not care.

I liked that the ref saw it, and wiped it off before the fight started.

But, how can they really prevent this? Say a fight starts: Then 'the' fighter wipes the Vaseline from his face, onto his body. They can't stop the fight to deal with that situation, it would be ridicoulus, Imo.

It disgusted me when I saw it. Just because he did it before the fight was on. But since it was wiped off, it doesn't matter. Gj ref!

Dear OP, so what do you want man? Fighters shall not touch their own body if they ever touch their face? It is impossible to implement certain things in MMA such as the occasional back of the head shot while one fighter is turning away from a punch and the other is trying to cave his head in. Is it cheating? Well yeah technically, but again so hard to judge unless it is deliberate. Just let go off this bullshit. Anderson Silva is on a different level than Chael Sonnen, little vaseline here there will not change the fact. Even Chael himself recognized it. Same with Bj Penn. St Pierre would have kicked his ass vaseline or not. I love BJ but St Pierre was twice his size and BJ had love handles at 170, that in itself was 10 times more important than the slippery back of St Pierre.

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Originally Posted by AndyK5

Dear OP, so what do you want man? Fighters shall not touch their own body if they ever touch their face? It is impossible to implement certain things in MMA such as the occasional back of the head shot while one fighter is turning away from a punch and the other is trying to cave his head in. Is it cheating? Well yeah technically, but again so hard to judge unless it is deliberate. Just let go off this bullshit. Anderson Silva is on a different level than Chael Sonnen, little vaseline here there will not change the fact. Even Chael himself recognized it. Same with Bj Penn. St Pierre would have kicked his ass vaseline or not. I love BJ but St Pierre was twice his size and BJ had love handles at 170, that in itself was 10 times more important than the slippery back of St Pierre.

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Perhaps I came off too harshly, but I really don't get too invested in these things. I just wanted to open the topic for discussion and gain some more information on the subject. I don't really care either way, and I don't necessarily believe that it even gives him any advantage, I'm just curious why nobody from the UFC says anything about it if it is illegal. If he's getting away with it and it does give him an advantage then I actually think that's a pretty slick move and I'm impressed. (no pun intended) I like Silva and I like Sonnen, I honestly wanna see #3 just to see what would happen but it doesn't look like Dana wants to do it.

it's weird. some people seem to think it's not a big deal since it wasn't a large amount. like you should be allowed to spread a certain amount of vaseline over your body before a fight. but the rules seem to disagree.

My friend, Jeff Hammond, recently beat Brandon Quick's prodigy, Levi Mowles, again. Another teammate said he saw Levi rubbing lotion on his gi collar before his match. lol

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Originally Posted by John Hickman

My friend, Jeff Hammond, recently beat Brandon Quick's prodigy, Levi Mowles, again. Another teammate said he saw Levi rubbing lotion on his gi collar before his match. lol

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Because Brandon Quick is a douche.