https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=87PRVP4EQAo
A video i just found of some possible UFO sightings around the world.
What do you all think about it?
Do you believe in Aliens or UFOs?
Im hoping this wont start a huge debate between people, i am just curious to all your opinions.
Where I live people see them alot, I personally only saw one and I was scared as fuck so I didn't even think to film it.
Haha funny question to ask on a 10th planet forum. I would say a lot of aliens are members of this site. Check out George kavassilas on youtube.
No no no there are no record of aliens or UFO's. We also landed on the moon, OJ was innocent, and Micheal didn't touch any of those lil kids either...ya there for sure is alien lifeforms out there but not mini green people flying in space ships like Hollywood depicts
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Originally Posted by Sam Charette
Aliens definetly exist, but they have never visited this planet.
You have to look at reasons and resources like Stephen Hawking said.
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Sometimes I think the sure sign that life exists elsewhere in the universe is that that none of them tried to contact us
[QUOTE=Matt Hester;135939]Aliens definetly exist, but they have never visited this planet.
You have to look at reasons and resources like Stephen Hawking said.[/QUOTEno ther is ZERO evidence that aliens have never visited earth. but both the hardware in 5 thousand year old hyroglyphs, petroglyphs, & geoglyphs, as well as countless anchient structures like "Puma Punku" witch make the giza pyramids look like childs play. & show evidence of machines with laser precision & new cites are being found every year like "Gobekli Teppi" & you have the software of the spoken word stories of anchient tribes across the globe who all say they were visited by star people & taught things such as mathmatics, astronomy, agriculture, how to form organized communities ect. one must also remember that the bible is just a remix of the Sumarian Text which is much older & says we as humans were genetically engineered by aliens, & that story is the same story told throughout the anchient world. from cave drawings, to hyroglyphs, to renaissance art, to military records, to photos , & now videos, ufo's have been reported throughout time. all that info plus the fact that the molecules for carbon based life amino acids, water, ect is carried throughout space on comets. potentially seeding life everywhere. & just because we can't go there doesn't mean they can't come here. with all the evidence any competent lawyer could tri this case in court and win. dudes have been convicted with much less evidence even zero evidence with conspiracy charges the gov wins conspiracy cases all day
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Originally Posted by Matt Hester
Zero evidence that aliens ever did visit earth.
If they ever wanted to how would they get here? There nearest star is over 4 light years away.
That means without the use of a wormhole or a way to warp spacetime, an alien spaceship would have to perminently leave its homeworld behind. If that way the case, then when they did get here, they would be here to colonize our planet. Which clearly did not happen as there are quite extensive geological and archaological records of this planet and the peoples who lived here.
If they were capable of warping spacetime in order to arrive at our planet in short time, imagine the resources that ripping spacetime must cost. If an alien civilization chose to come to earth in that way, there would be no mystery or secret about it. They would not be here to kidnap hunters in the woods, or hide their presence in any way.
Besides colonization, there is no good reason to expend huge resources to come to earth.
As for people believing in religions and gods in the sky, I don't think that equates to ET visits.
Life certainly exists outside our planet, and maybe even in a few other places in our own solar system, but aliens have never visited our planet.
I'm not saying it was aliens.....but......
It was aliens.
when you talk " Aliens " you must remember that everything about them is " Alien " so forget anything you think you know about science or there possible motives. when you talk resources your thinking from an earthlings perspective, again forget any physics or science that were used to on earth, and please don't assume they would have a objective you can understand or science you can relate to there quote " Aliens " and it's the ultimate in human arrogance to think because we can't go there they can't come here. and my quote was Zero evidence they've "never" been here. but again theres enough evidence that suggest they have been here since the beginning enough to win the case in court.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt Hester
you also mentioned " Cost " as if they would have same the monitary system as us. i run into a lot of people who still have there "training wheels" on logically they have to concede thers life in space any planetary scientist will tell you life is carried on comets. but they just can't wrap there minds around all the evidence clearly showing us theyve been here since the beginning. to accept the fact that the universe is full of life but then say they " can't come here " or havent been here is like. is just like karate dudes that didn't believe in jiujitsu or ground fighting until they got choked out & forced to accept reality, they then conceded the effectivness of jiujitsu but refused to learn. then all there students left to learn jits & any new student ask's if they can teach jiujitsu, if not they walk right out the door. so now every karate school that was once anti ground fighting has a lightweight jiujitsu program. even if it's just 2 days a week. like the kenpo association now teaching 10thp. it's the same thing, some people have to be dragged into reality kicking and screemingQuote:
Originally Posted by derrick ikwueme
you also mentioned " Cost " as if they would have same the monitary system as us. i run into a lot of people who still have there "training wheels" on logically they have to concede thers life in space any planetary scientist will tell you life is carried on comets. but they just can't wrap there minds around all the evidence clearly showing us theyve been here since the beginning. to accept the fact that the universe is full of life but then say they " can't come here " or havent been here is like. is just like karate dudes that didn't believe in jiujitsu or ground fighting until they got choked out & forced to accept reality, they then conceded the effectivness of jiujitsu but refused to learn. then all there students left to learn jits & any new student ask's if they can teach jiujitsu, if not they walk right out the door. so now every karate school that was once anti ground fighting has a lightweight jiujitsu program. even if it's just 2 days a week. like the kenpo association now teaching 10thp. it's the same thing, some people have to be dragged into reality kicking and screemingQuote:
Originally Posted by Matt Hester
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Originally Posted by derrick ikwueme
" but they just can't wrap there minds around all the evidence clearly showing us theyve been here since the beginning."
What evidence? Just because zarchria sitchen, whom translated a few texts, in which he does not quote, or say from which texts it's come from, said aliens have been here, does not mean that is true. Also, just because there is evidence of higher technology used at ancient sites does not give evidence for aliens doing it. It is way more probable that we were advanced in the past. Why would aliens come here, make a bunch of stone structures and then leave with almost no trace?
please show me your monumental amount of evidence that will prove they were here in a court case, because if that is so I can make a lot of money.
your so wrong my friend! Zacharia sitchin Quoted the sumarian text look it up, plus in the sumarian text the sumarians said gold dust particles can be used to shield the atmosphere from cosmic wrays, 6 thousand years ago and that science is just being confirmed by modern scientist, Obama had a science panel that came to the same conclusion. the sumarians also new about every planet in our solar system even pluto without telescopes, the dogon tribe in africa also knew about Serius B without telescopes, and they say there creator was named Namo from serius B and he engineered them as well. i hear you in regards to an advanced civilzation being wiped out. but the main problem with that theory is that not a single anchient tribe says they were humans from earth, they all say "hey" thease beings came from the stars, not across the ocean. but that theory does have a place, meaning all of the above is true. humans built thease cites with the assistence of "alien technology". why? because thats exactly what the anchients tell us, & who are we to say there lying we werent there. as far as evidence i can go all day, from Puma Punku, to the Nazca Lines, to Gobekli Teppi, to Pacal the Greats Sarcophagus showing him taking off in a rocket ect, plus helicopters, submarines, ufo's ect on egyptian walls at the dandera temple. it's funny how sceptics only offer scepticism but no answers themselves & they never admit they don't know either. but anchient alien researchers never run out of material. & in regards to a court case, again take all the hardware & software. compile it and theres only one logical conclusion, not to mention astronauts like Gordon Cooper & Edgar Mitchell both say they saw ufo's in space. who's more qualified than astronauts ?? they actually go into space after countless physical and mental test !! hypothetical question ? if you were trying a murder case and witnesess all over the world said they saw me shoot a dude, and you found the smoking gun with my prints on it, & you also have records written in stone saying i killed the dude, plus you have video of me in the act, and numerous police officers, military generals, pilots, astronauts ect all credible people willing to put there careers on the line saying they all saw me shoot the dude. that would mean you have everything but my confesstion. thats more than enough to get a conviction & if you can't then your the most shitty lawyer in history. Jhonny Cocharan got OJ off simply with gloves that didn't fit. the gov convitcs dudes with no hard evedence or witness testomony simply with just conspiracy charges. no crime or evidence just rumors. no one who studies this subject says they know for a fact what happened, but it's funny how sooo many sceptics act like they somehow know exactly what happened and is happenning ( because the phenomonon continues ) with 0 evidence to support the sceptics point of view, why not just admit you don't have a clue instead of saying " well aliens can't come here " or " why would they come and just leave " 1st who says they left, 2nd why assume you would have any ability to comprehend there motives or modes of travel. there " Alien " again it's the ultimate in "human arrogance" to make thease assumptionsQuote:
Originally Posted by Charlemange August K.
How come zacaria sitchen goes against against other Sumerian scholars? If you actually look into the facts, they never knew about 12 planets, they have one seal which is this http://o.beyond2012hq.com/wp-content...-on-flickr.jpg
There is not a single text in the entire corpus of Sumerian or Mesopotamian tablets in the world that tells us the Sumerians (or later inhabitants of Mesopotamia) knew there were more than five planets. This is quite a claim, but is demonstrable through the work of scholars who specialize in cuneiform astronomy. Below I list all the major works on cuneiform astronomy (catalogues of texts, dissertations / books) and invite readers to check them out of a library and look for themselves. Literally every cuneiform text that has any astronomical comment (even with respect to astrology and omens) has been translated, catalogued, indexed, and discussed in the available academic literature. The tablets are often quite detailed, even discussing mathematical calculations of the appearance of planetary bodies in the sky, on the horizon, and in relation to other stars. The field is by no means new, and is considerably developed.
The seal is transliterated (the Sumero-Akkadian signs in English letters) and translated in the principal publication of the Berlin Vorderasiatische Museum’s publication of its seal collection, Vorderasiatische Rollsiegel (“West Asian Cylinder Seals”; 1940) by Mesopotamian scholar Anton Moortgat on page 101. This book is in German, so I offer the German and an English translation:
Line 1 = dub-si-ga “Dubsiga” [a personal name of an apparently powerful personc]
Line 2 = ili-il-la-at “Ili-illat” [another personal name, this time of the seal’s owner]
Line 3 = ir3-su “dein Knecht” [German for “your servant”d]
So the full (rather boring) inscription of line one reads: “Dubsiga, Ili-illat, your/his servant.” Nothing in the inscription suggests anything remotely to do with astronomy or planets.
In an email correspondence with Dr. Rudi Mayr, whose dissertation was on cylinder seals, Dr. Mayr commented on the inscriptions and the seal [and I interject a few comments in blue]:
“The seated figure is a god; the ‘flounced’ garment is normal for deities (though kings start wearing them a little later); deities also have the distinctive headdress. Most scholars call it a ‘horned’ headdress, but I’ve always thought it looked more like flames than horns. Ancient texts often refer to deities having a bright, shining, brilliant aspect [this is true across the ancient near east – witness the “shining one” terminology I discuss in The Façade and in several papers on my website]; they don’t mention horns . . . The introducing figure also has the ‘horns’ of divinity” [this is a strong contextual argument that the symbol – again, it’s not the “sun” – to the upper left of the introducing figure is a star. Precisely because they SHINE, stars were associated with deities. Shamash, the sun god, had his own symbol of the sun.
If you look at either of the incriptions on the tablet it refers to servants and nothing to do with Planets.
The “Sun” in that picture actually refers to Shamash, not the sun in our solar system.
All my information is from here : Jeremy Black, Gods, Demons, and Symbols of Ancient Mesopotamia: An Illustrated Dictionary (University of Texas Press, in conjunction with the British Museum, 1992): 168. This is an excellent reference source. Dr. Black is a well known Sumerian scholar. He was formerly the Director of the British School of Archaeology in Iraq and is now university lecturer in Akkadian and Sumerian at Wolfson College, Oxford.
I have read 2 of sitchins books, watched ancient aliens, and looked extensivly into evidence of them visiting us. In fact, I have personally seen UFO's last december and it couldnt be anything but that esp the way they moved and looked.
But NOTHING, you say gives any evidence that it was aliens. You say there is “only one conclusion” how about the conclusion that several scholars who helped argue for the cases in Ancient Aliens, that there is something fishy with our current history, are not even Ancient astronaut theorist, they are a movement of scholars that argue for a lost civilization. Everything you have said, could ALSO be explained by a lost civilization. Most of your evidence has been shown to correlate more strongly with us having a further and more advanced history. Also, if you have taken law, or a basic language and logic class, you can never make a valid, or a sound argument because someone says something is so. For example, if you told me gravity exists because of reason A, B, and because Newton agrees with A, and B, and said so... it would never hold up in court, or in any type of science fair. About 40% of researchers do indepentent studies, including those from NASA and colleges all across the globe. DO you really think that you could keep the existance of UFOs that guarded up from today's youth or researchers? I'll grant you most people are pretty stupid, but we are not that dumb.
http://www.classicalastrologer.com/shamash.jpg
This is the actual sun symbol in sumerian texts. I suggest reading both sides of the story. I want nothing more for aliens to come here, but there is not enough strong evidence to support it. And UFO's do not always mean it's an alien.
Ill just say its a big universe and we dont even know of all the animals and insects on this planet or what exactly is at the bottom of the ocean
Until its time for something to be proved to the majority there are always ways of disproving it with what seems like rational thinking from a certain understanding
If we keep leaking radio singles into space we'll find out soon enough;)
To answer the question I'll have to say my views coincide http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMIyYwq_A8E with this youtube clip.
"when you talk " Aliens " you must remember that everything about them is " Alien " so forget anything you think you know about science or there possible motives. when you talk resources your thinking from an earthlings perspective, again forget any physics or science that were used to on earth, and please don't assume they would have a objective you can understand or science you can relate to"
You would certainly not forget about science and physics.
Laws of physics do not change from planet to planet, or system to system. They are constant and most are easily observable. Measurements of forces (such as gravity or radiation levels) will be different everywhere else we go in the universe, but the math that governs their interractions is unchanging. Technological assumptions based on this math is how we are able to spacetravel, build incredible structures, and communicate across distance instantly with each other.
"you also mentioned " Cost " as if they would have same the monitary system as us. i run into a lot of people who still have there "training wheels" on logically"
"Cost" obvioulsy referrs to resources. Energy and materials. Nothing can get past using energy, that is how things move. And we use materials to build things. Materials are finite.
Obviously not talking about interstellar currency!
You would certainly not forget about science and physics.
Laws of physics do not change from planet to planet, or system to system. They are constant and most are easily observable. Measurements of forces (such as gravity or radiation levels) will be different everywhere else we go in the universe, but the math that governs their interractions is unchanging. Technological assumptions based on this math is how we are able to spacetravel, build incredible structures, and communicate across distance instantly with each other.
That math which does not properly describe the universe. There is a big problem in physics between quantum mechanics and laws that govern physics. We also have the M or string theory, in which it's theoritically to travel a few trillion miles. Look at space as a ball of yarn, not a flat football field.
also check this, if you don't believe it is possible to get to point A to point B without having to go in a linear fashion.
http://earthsky.org/space/magnetic-p...-earth-and-sun
Although, lets be honest, if aliens are competent enough to traverse the space time continuum, would they be so incompetent to not even be able to land properly and crash on Earth? possible, but very improbable.
the scientist mentioned no doubt are very bright people, but the problem with scientist is they think they know everything, but most depend on gov grants & university funds to run the programs & will most deffinately not rock the boat by going against the status quo, they will never jepordize there own funding thats why main stream scientist have no credibility in regards to the ufo subject, so they can say whatever they want but it's simply there own opinion nothing more !! Zacharia Sitchin didn't care about gov funding or the status quo, & his research is being confirmed by modern science. people keep saying oh! it was advanced humans but again, the anchients across the globe not just the sumarians all say NO! they came from the stars, native american indians called them star people, and ther petroglyphs show beings that look like the gray aliens people report, ufo's are in rennasance art ect. Sitchin didn't care about being popular & he has both the Hardware & Software & confirmation from modern science, none of the above scientist have the software or modern science to confirm there claims it's just ther own opiniions, witch is fine ! but I'd rather listen to both the Hardware & Software & dudes who have actually been in space like astronautes like Gordon Cooper & Edgar Mitchell, as well as russian cosmonauts, no disrespect to any of the mentioned scientist but there opinions don't mean shit compared to the testamony of actual "astronauts" are ufo's real ? of courseQuote:
Originally Posted by Charlemange August K.
they are ! are they aliens ? maybe maybe not ! but when you have military generals, heads of nuclear installations, former black project officials, former members of crash retrieval teams like cliff stone, pilots, police officers, & astronauts saying there "Aliens"
and theyve seen bodies and what they describe can be found on cave walls, well ! if it walks talks and acts like a duck then it's probably a duck, as for the crashes ! just becasue there super advanced doesn't mean there invincible & perfect in every way ! they could be soo "Alien" that certain potential threats to there system may not even be on there radar. just because there advanced doesn't mean they can't make mistakes, crash or be shot down.
Regardless, while witness testimony may hold up in the court of law, it is the lowest form of evidence in science.
And all the beings that the "ancients talked about" have also been reported in psychedelic experiences, that includes the cave art. Read "Food of the Gods" by Terrence Mckenna and "Supernatural" by Graham Handcock. They have a lot of evidence that these beings and gods were from psychedelic states of altered conscience. Even Rick's book "DMT the Spirit Molecule" goes over an extensive overview of how similar some experiences are to alien abductions, some experimentee's even had the same experiences or something very identical, without even talking or knowing each other.
I think that it is way more probable that we had technology that was quite advanced in the past, and that most "alien experiences" are derived from psychedelic states of conscience, which existed in almost every society you mentioned or more, and I do this only because there is more evidence supporting that.
Although, what you say is not impossible, it is just more improbable considering current evidence.
And let us not forget, UFO = unidentified, which mean you do not know, which also means that if you do not know, you cannot come to a sound argument saying that it MUST be aliens. that is a classic ignorance fallacy, in which all of these "eye witnesses" have made. Unless they saw what was inside grabbed some awesome alien tech and said, see look at this. It's going to take more than something that is equivelent to boogy man and ghost sightings to prove we have been visited recently.
no one in the ufo research field says they know for sure, but main stream scientist always act like they "know" & they truly don't know shit. like i said multiple military officials say they have seen actual " bodies " of aliens from crashed ufo's. to assume oh! there just advanced people is the real ignorance you speak of. either way you can have your own opinion but just don't act like you know for sure and any other opinion is ignorant. just because some random scientist says something different. like i said i'd rather listen to military officials, astronauts ect. because they don't depend on gov grants & there credibility is unquestionable. so lets agree to disagreeQuote:
Originally Posted by Charlemange August K.
Science is constantly checked. Many scientists dedicate their entire life's work to disproving other scientist discoveries and theories.
The Roswell "crash" stuff is declassified now. Go read for yourlelf instead of listening to crazy hair guy on Ancient Aliens.
Yes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUIr7b_MPrU&feature=plcp
This was my, This I Believe project. http://thisibelieve.org/
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