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i still think he had a accomplis, if the 2nd can came from a different direction. i wish we had our modern society with no guns at all just swords, then it would take actual skill to kill someone and there would be no innocent bystanders. this dude couldn't kill shit if there were only swords and skill required, guns are a cowards weapon
if he came in with a sword he would have gotten jumped and stabbed with his own sword
That would be awesome. Everyone walking around with samurai swords and claymores and shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by derrick ikwueme
We were talking shit with a friend about the shooting... The dude was a neuroscience PhD honor student and was working on Micro DNA Biomarkers in a class named "Biological Basis of Psychiatric and Neurological Disorders."
Imagine if he went a bit too deep in his research and tested whatever he was working on himself and triggered some sort of psychosis and went postal... tinfoil hat talk? who knows...Attachment 1457
If you ever opened one the of those text books for anything to do with that subject, it would send most people off the deep end. There was a similar case when I was in Afghanistan where a guy went off the deep end walked off base with his weapon (which is VERY VERY VERY hard to do by yourself in country) and proceeded to kill 12 innocent people. People who don't know how to manage stress and just bottle it up will eventually reach the boiling point and erupt. I just wish I could see into a person's mind for one day just to know what possess someone to do something so horrible. What does it take to make a person throw all morality and sense of judgement right out the window?Quote:
Originally Posted by John Alighieri
I don't see ANY evidence from this video that the cops are lying. ... we'll have to see what comes up at the trial.
Keep in mind how someone like this thinks... not rational. They are doing it for attention most likely.
Why would he give his "trap" away and "surrender"? ...because he wants to be cool-in his own mind (not a rational person). Telling them he has a trapped apartment makes more news, an adventure-if you will, rather than just another news story once someone finally goes into his house. Why did the crazy people in batman tell everyone there was a bomb? Same reason. His pictures look bizarre, and now he's famous.
He could have had an accomplice. This is exactly what happened at Columbine.
The brainwashing quote is epic! Eric Holder. I hope the cops come through on this if there's more to the story. Next video Alex Jones talks about Scopolamine as mind control. Holy f.
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Originally Posted by derrick ikwueme
If you think it takes no skill to kill someone then you are sorely mistaken.
What might of prevented this is if someone else in the theater had a firearm of their own on hand.
Furthermore it's easy to say a gun is a cowards weapon when you aren't protecting your family.
If having a gun by the bed makes me a coward, then sign me up.
Yo don't be so short sighted ! obviously i'm not talking about innocent people defending themselves. & do you not think pulling guns & shooting innocent is a cowardly move ? shooting innocent kids ? some people !Quote:
Originally Posted by Mitchell C
It is easy to kill with a gun. This is a fact. The 2nd ammendment is necessary because other guns exist. Gov. and law enforcement will always force 'order' by the point of a gun, so we should be able to at least attempt to match the aggression. However thugs, psychopaths, and tyrants(ie. bitchass cowards)will also force their misguided will with guns. Don't be so defensive.
My dear friend and training partner just watched the love of his life gunned down in front of him and her daughter for telling a car to slow down for speeding through her neighborhood. Skill? This lil bitch was 17 with 6 prior felonies and out on bond. I bet the first thing he did when he got out was go get his stupid coward ass a gun. Without that gun my friend could have destroyed everyone in the car. And even if he would of had a gun, sure he would of swiftly gained vengeance, but she would still be dead.
Just because we want to protect ourselves and our family, doesn't negate the fact that certain personality types are drawn to guns. Weak cowards are in this demographic. Why? Power. Unearned, easily attainable, and near total power. I also wish there were no guns. Because there are far too many dumbasses in our species.
A dark theater where smoke/gas grenades were launch, and you think if more people had guns less people would have died? How would they be able to tell who was the original shooter? How many more people would have been killed/hurt with the extra bullets flying? What are the cops supposed to do when they see all these guys with guns?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mitchell C
Are you with your family 24 hours a day? Even if you are with your family when the bullets start flying how will you stop them from hitting your family?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mitchell C
Statistically speaking your family would have a much lower chance of getting gunned down in their daily lives if almost no civilian had a gun.
Wake up! The NRA, gun manufactures and bought of politicians are filling their pockets while innocents die every day. How many people were shot down just today? How many this year so far?
Of course less people would have died. A madman shooting innocent unarmed people VS. armed, trained, citizens protecting their lives and loved ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spínola
Oh yeah, it was much better off since only the madman had a gun. That sounds enlightened.
Thank them? They probably would have arrested those hypothetical heroes since carrying a gun in your car in Aurora, CO is illegal. So even if a well-meaning citizen meant to take a gun to the theater, he would have been breaking his local laws to do so. Interestingly, that didn't stop the shooter. I can't imagine why.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spínola
My wife carries her own gun. I care about my family, so I care about prevention.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spínola
And when the bullets start flying, I'll be standing in their path like the three guys in CO who died shielding their girlfriends.
Oh, to be sure. And statistically speaking, we would all have a higher chance of being fatter if the world was made of ice cream and tacos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spínola
And just for kicks, who exactly do you qualify as having rights above those of a "civilian"? And who makes that decision?
They're keeping their pockets full by creating more and more gun regulations. Who do you think gets the money from the incredible taxes placed upon firearms and ammunition? Who do you think gets the money from concealed carry training and licensing? Who can charge almost whatever they want because of stringent rules and and a constant fear of disarmament creating a false demand? They're all on YOUR side. Give me a break.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spínola
If you truly want to stop the violence, the only option is to pull back all of these unconstitutional hurdles to personal armament and facilitate an environment where individuals take the responsibility of protecting themselves and their communities as a natural duty.
I really wish we lived in a society free from guns where people handled problems like men and not cowards. The unfortunate truth is that we don't.....therefore I strongly support the 2nd amendment right to bear arms and protect ones own family and property. This particular situation is very unfortunate but does nothing to change my opinion on the issue. In all reality, the more i look into it, the more I see timely events happening to persuade/brainwashing us to giving that right up. Given the history of our government, this would not surprise me one bit. Look at the events that brought us into WW1, 2, Vietnam, Iraq. All events that were either allowed or setup to happen in order to infuriate the public into sitting back and supporting/allowing reactions that otherwise wouldn't be. How we just allowed the Patriot Act to be rushed through without anyone even reading what it was. How our whole f'n Navy were stationed in one place....and we knew the Japanese were coming. I damn sure hope the people in congress do not start a domino effect of laws effectively eliminating one of the most vital rights in our country, though that sure seems primed to happen :(
this guy should be stomped in the streets
i'm all for the right to bear arms, but nobody needs a assault rifle for self defense, congress forgot to update the ban on assault rifles, no deer or elk wears a vest so only miliary and cops should be able to buy assault rifles. people forget that the germans created the first assault rifle in ww2 the stg sterm guverrer in order to wipe out whole squads on patrol. if this dude hadn't been able to legally buy a assault rifle from bass pro shop. he wouldn't have been able to kill so many people, the shotgun firing time would have given people time to escape or jump him at the reload point, the handguns would have ran out of ammo also giving windows of opportunity, but the assault rifle shoots about 100 rounds per minute and thats what he killed 12 and shot 70 people
with, NRA people need to stop being soo selfish & paranoid, no one wants to take there guns away just the assault rifles. notice England France & other western country's don't have thease problems happen every year like we do. the reason life is so cheap in 3rd world countries is because everyone even 12 year old kids walk around with AK's. if the NRA has it there way that's what america will be reduced to. GTA with the everyone strapped cheat code
A shooting is a chaotic event, especially in a constricted space, full of people, dark and where smoke grenades were launched. People would just start shooting anybody that had a gun or looked threatening due to the panic and very low visibility. Also how many of the people that have guns have real quality training? Just recently a cop shot his son by mistake because he thought he was a burglar in his house. That was a police officer with years of experience on the job, and yet you expect civilians to perform in a crazy situation like this?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan Kelso
Once they arrived at the scene and witnessed the chaos, they themselves would start shooting in fear of their own lives. How would they be able do identify the original shooter? They don't even know how many shooters there were.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan Kelso
And your kids? do they carry guns themselves? How about your parents and grand parents? How about stray bullets? Are they wearing bullet proof vests? Will your wife hit the criminal or hit an innocent bystander? I believe that in your case she might have proper training, but do you think that applies to most gun owners?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan Kelso
Lowering the probabilities is prevention.
I admire your for that and hope that never needs to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan Kelso
It's not about having rights above those of a civilian, but a profession that requires them to be armed such as police officers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan Kelso
I would say that the people that are making the real money here are the gun manufacturers, the NRA, the lobbyists and the bought politicians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan Kelso
We clearly disagree on this. The U.S. is the most armed society in the world by far, with 90 guns per 100 people, and they are no where near the safest one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan Kelso
I am not trying to attack you here, we just disagree on what is the best way to keep our families and friends safe. We both are trying to keep them as safe as possible so much respect to you.
Seen the UN Arms Treaty that will probably be signed on the 27th of this month? Any thoughts on it? The people in support of this treaty supposedly say it will not affect our rights as gun owners. And of course the ones that do not support it think it's just another step towards taking away our rights. I do not think the majority of Americans will tuck their tails and turn over their weapons much like other people have done in other countries. I know I will not. I know the people that live around me will not. I actually think there would be lots of needless bloodshed if it came down to being forced to turn in our guns. I may kinda think far out when it comes to stuff like this but there are some really passionate folks in the US when it comes to gun rights and I really think if it came down to it it could start some type of "war" of some sort. There are endless arguments on this topic... pros and cons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Philips
The problem is that you don't see it from the perspective of carriers. I know many, and one defining trait is that they view their guns and ccw permits as serious responsibilities. They have training, practice regularly, and are mentally prepared to protect themselves and others in a hostile encounter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spínola
Yes, a theater is dark and the tear gas would make the scene confusing, but let's look at the information we have from the attack. He was fully decked out in tactical regalia and using an assault rifle. So he wasn't exactly trying to be inconspicuous. Also, we have numerous reports of eye witnesses seeing the attacker and reacting. From these descriptions alone we can see that a citizen with a firearm could make the competent decisions necessary to halt the attack.
The scenario you're projecting is a vision of chaos where a theater full of wannabe John Waynes pull out their pieces and start blasting each other. That's just completely unrealistic. And in the unlikely event that it occurred, it would still be infinitely more promising than a lone gunman in a room with a bunch of targets. They are lucky he didn't lock the doors and tell them to line up.
Sadly, this is the only type of gun-related news that gets much publicity. "Madman Slaughters Innocents" makes for better headlines than "Armed Citizen Stops Madman Before He Can Slaughter Innocents". Probably just a symptom of our violent nature. In any case, the latter headline is incredibly more common than the former. Lives are saved every day by responsible, law-abiding citizens.
I don't quite understand the point you're trying to make. That you can't be protected by a gun all the time? I acknowledge that. But are you saying that just because something might happen in a way you don't expect, you shouldn't be prepared for anything? That's like a woman saying "You know, a man trying to rape me might be too strong to stop, so I shouldn't even try learning self defense."Quote:
Originally Posted by Spínola
I don't have kids, and it's illegal for a child to possess or protect themselves with a pistol. However, a responsibly trained child with a firearm wouldn't be a travesty. The point is that guns are equalizers. It doesn't matter how big and strong a threatening person might be; a gun changes the entire dynamic of predator and victim. A woman, an elderly person, even a child. They all become the equal of the assailant, or more likely, with the training they've probably undertaken, superior to the assailant. A nation of armed women is a nation without rape, think on it.
Your assumption is that if guns were illegal, there would be less crime. But killing a bunch of people in a theater is also illegal. The guns are inconsequential to the crime. To outlaw firearms would only outlaw the right of the peaceful citizen to defend his or herself.
You'll see that in allegedly "progressive and forward-thinking" countries like England where guns are banned, the violent crime rates are much higher than in America. They still have all the rapes, robberies, and violence that we do. Just less women shouting "Back the fuck off, or I'll shoot!" Conversely, communities in America with a strong gun culture are among the safest in the nation.
Are most gun owners properly trained? I don't know. Concealed carriers though? Yes.
But who decides who gets to be a police officer? A halo doesn't come with a badge. What you are doing is giving one person the power of coercion, complete control over another with the threat of violence as a deterrent to resistance. You are giving a person a right that you are denying to another. That very action creates a stratification of classes. The armed man, the complete man. And the denied man, the "civilian", the subhuman. What should a professed "peace officer" be if not our equal? Are we so low as to be stripped of our claws in a modern world with evils no less ruthless than in the world of our primal ancestors?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spínola
Our miscommunication is due to an incongruity of cultural and societal perspectives. I am an American. I research my history and heed the warnings of wise Americans who came before. I believe in individual liberty, the ideal that built this country even though its spirit now flickers around me. Please read the text of my 2nd Amendment and the second paragraph of my Declaration of Independence. And when you read them, don't just see the words; see the actions and events that led to creating them and the importance that was placed within them.
Yes. They're making tons of money. But not for the reasons you believe. It is the strict control of guns that stems the flow of wealth. They rely on the War on Guns as much as our "justice" system relies upon the War on Drugs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spínola
Again, that's a skewed perspective. You're linking guns themselves as a catalyst to violence. Violence exists independently of firearms, which are merely tools with which it is dispensed. Violence, on the street or in the home can be categorized.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spínola
Robbery/Burglary - On the streets, it is mostly a symptom of poverty.
Murder - 1. Occurs as a companion to the former, 2. Domestically between family members or friends, 3. As a result of gang/drug disputes (a symptom of failed Prohibition), or 4. Perpetrated by sociopaths
Rape - Imagined inferiority and a lust for dominance wins over its conflict with virtue and morality, a symptom of cultural decay.
Coercion - Power corrupts, they say.
--Guns can be used in all of these forms of violence, and the quick and simple solution seems to involve taking guns away, as if it would solve these issues. In reality, the righteous solution to these societal ills is wholly more complicated than that. In order to reduce its proliferation, you must combat the root of each problem. That course of action isn't as glamorous or as controversial as blaming it on the guns, which of course, are not the problem but part of the answer.
I see a lot of people say "I wish guns didn't exist, but..." That kind of reactionary pontification is pointless. Guns do exist, and we must deal with it. Guns have changed nothing. Before them were swords and arrows, which were no less dangerous to the unarmed. And like in modern times, commoners in oppressed societies were most always forbidden to bear arms. Weapons are a symbol of power. The question is, who should wield power and who shouldn't? In my mind, everyone has that natural right, gifted them by their very existence as freethinking individuals.
And respect to you for honoring my beliefs and for having a civil discussion about a subject with the potential to go wrong quickly. My right to have free and open conversations like this is also dearly important to me, and that's another reason why my right to keep and bear arms is even more important. Because every other right we have is just a collection of words without the power to protect them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spínola
i think this is just a case of a person snaping however i love how the media has ran with the story to try to push the whole anti gun movement
monkeys with guns arguing about guns.
I don't believe that to be true for the general gun owner. I mean do you really believe that the general population is capable of the claims you make above? Even those that you talk about, with all their training, to say that they are mentally prepared to protect themselves and others is a very bold statement. How can you say something like that? That is a complete subjective evaluation on your part. You only know how you will react when it happens, and most will panic just like the average joe. Even police and military with all their training and experience, panic, get nervous, and fuck up all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan Kelso
He was heavily armored, wearing a ballistic helmet, gas mask, tactical vest, ballistics leggings, metal shin guards and armored boots. He had the element of surprise. He threw gas grenades and start shooting a semi-automatic assault rifle at the crowd, popping anything that moves at a very fast rate. The cinema was dark, people were screaming and panicking everywhere, probably even pushing into one another. This is absolute chaos and yet you think some gun carriers in the audience would have been able to take the shooter out with their small caliber guns, that they wouldn't have shot themselves by mistaking one another as the original shooter and that they wouldn't kill other innocents with stray bullets. How can you think that this is "just completely unrealistic" is beyond me. This was at the movies, but it is not a movie!Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan Kelso
I don't think that is true at all and that these cases you mention are the minority. I have never seen any numbers to support what you are saying here. Where did you get this information?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan Kelso
My point was, if you have a gun you might be able to protect yourself, but you will not be able to protect your wife, kids, grand parents, etc, for the majority of their daily lives. And this is about them not you or me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan Kelso
A child with a gun... i don't even know what to say to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan Kelso
Guns are not equalizers! If i am a criminal and i think my target has a good chance of having a gun, i will bring a bigger gun, i will wear body armor and i will shoot first and ask questions later. I will also bring some help instead of doing it alone. I also have the factor of surprise on my side which means the victim probably wont even have time to react. Also because the target might have a gun, i am very jumpy and nervous, and will start blasting away at the slightest sign of resistance. Of course since me and my partners are carrying semi-automatics bullets will fly everywhere and innocents will get hit with stray bullets, even the ones carrying guns themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan Kelso
At the very least it would make it much harder to kill and hurt that many people. Also, how do you defend yourself from a stray bullet? You think you will always be the first to shoot? And that your family will never be the one on the path of the bullets?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan Kelso
The U.S. is the most armed society in the world by far and yet you are not even close to being the safest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan Kelso
There is a limited number of characters per post, so i will write and post the response to the rest of your points tomorrow. Please don't reply before i post the rest. Thanks.
Let's look at something really quick. People that use guns in a way they should not be used are what? They are non law abiding citizens. Criminals don't follow the rules, that's why they are criminals. We take away guns, they will find a way to get them, or find another way to do harm. Let's say assault rifles where gone, that still wouldn't have stopped the senseless murders in CO, the killer would have just found another way to kill those people.
As far as the scenario of if people had personal protection or not in the theater is a subject that no one really can discuss because none of us where there. Sure I believe if they had armed citizens the situation could have been better off, but it is just too hard to say. I can say now that I would be ready if I was there and had my weapon, but to actually be in the situation no one knows. I believe as soon as the police showed up the killer gave up, so maybe if there was some citizens with weapons that met him with force maybe he would have stopped. Who know's it is all speculation.
The 2nd amendment was put in the constitution to allow us Americans the right to protect ourselves and to use force against the government if they got out of control, which is happening right now, take the Boston Tea Party, do you know how that got started? A few individuals in a bar drinking, hated how they government was controlling and over taxing all of the goods. It wasn't a large number of people, but it was enough to stand up for what was right. If the Police and Military have all the weapons and we have none and they turn on us to push socialism or communism how are we to protect ourselves? What's to say we can still by single shot weapons and no semi-auto, but Military and Police do, how can we protect ourselves then? We have these weapons available to us because our government has them, and more. I heard a quote the other day that I loved, A man called into a radio station that was talking about gun control and said this, "I have an AK-47 with a 30 round clip in my house for protection. Why you might ask? Because if some dumb SOB want's to break into my home or attack my family I have 30 reason why that is a bad idea." Most law abiding citizens who own guns don't break the law and commit all these murders. Most abuse from weapons are by people who have obtained the weapon illegally and obtained it do harm.
I don't own a firearm yet, but I will. This is my stance on them, I will use them for superior home protection, hunting, and when the world goes to shit, at least I know with my weapons, I can try to protect myself and family from harm.
Also here are ways that criminals are stopped by citizens who armed themselves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmQpyaSFVn0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8oEO_MV57I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiiQQ...eature=related
and there is many more.
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Originally Posted by Mitchell C
No it doesn't take skill to open fire in a crowded dark movie threatre with an Ar15 and kill 12 people...In fact the first thing I thought when I heard about it was "Wow I'm shocked he didn't kill more than 12" because he had literally every tactical advantage...
HIGHLY unlikely in this particular case since the shooter had literally every tactical advantage..All he has to do is randomly spray bullets into the crowd....The "good guy" would have to recover from the shock then actively find and locate the shooter in the very dark panic strike movie theater and than shoot and kill him without avoiding any innocent movie goers (which would be probably very hard to do) plus the guy had full body armor on so he could probably take multiple shots before going down (if he even went down at all)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mitchell C
Chances are you wouldn't even be able to find the shooter in such an environment (unless you were sitting very close to where he opened fire...in which case you would probably be dead/injured before you have time to draw your gun) and chances are you would just shoot and kill an innocent person in mistake.
The honest reality of this particular case (I know the anti and pro guns people don't like to admit this) is that in some instances....their really is nothing you can do....This was one such case.
Your gun is nothing compared to the power of the police and military. They are organized, trained, armored, experienced, have tanks, Apaches, bombs, drones, etc. This idea that by having a gun you will keep your institutions in check is very unrealistic. Again, if they think you have a gun they will just put you down faster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan Kelso
Wise Americans that had slaves, no women's rights, etc. They were just people. People as flawed as we. The American constitution is a beautiful thing and no doubt one of the most important documents ever written in the world. However they lived in a very different time, a time without semi-automatic and fully automatic weapons, among many other aspects. You have to read it in that context.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan Kelso
Also this is just your perspective. Yes many Americans have it as well but many agree with me. So no, there is no miscommunication due to our different societies/cultures.
I completely agree with you on the justice system relying on the war on drugs, but what is this war on weapons you talk about? You are the most armed society in the world. Politicians are afraid of going against the NRA. Did you hear Obama say anything or do anything about gun control during this tragedy? or during his mandate so far? no. Watch his speeches before he was president and you will see the power of the gun lobbyists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan Kelso
Guns make it a lot easier to kill/hurt someone, especially if there is no limits to what you can buy. People are buying assault rifles, tons of ammo, modified clips with more bullets so that they don't have to reload as much, etc. And this is what makes you feel safe?! Do you think people should be allowed to buy so much firepower? Would gun control solve all the crime problems? of course not. But it would with a doubt reduce the number of deaths and stop this escalation of violence: you have a gun? then i will bring bigger and more guns, and shoot first, ask questions later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan Kelso
I think your gun won't give you that power, but only an illusion of power.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan Kelso
Thank you and much respect to you as well. I am not an American, so i hope i don't come off as nosy, disrespectful or something like that. It's just that America has so much influence in the world and so much power, and if you fail we all do.
Kennesaw, Georgia has a mandatory gun law. Every head of household must own a gun and ammo. Here is there impressive stats taken from Wikepedia, and everything I see is its true.
Gun law
In 1982 the city passed an ordinance [Sec 34-21][18]
(a) In order to provide for the emergency management of the city, and further in order to provide for and protect the safety, security and general welfare of the city and its inhabitants, every head of household residing in the city limits is required to maintain a firearm, together with ammunition therefore.
(b)Exempt from the effect of this section are those heads of households who suffer a physical or mental disability which would prohibit them from using such a firearm. Further exempt from the effect of this section are those heads of households who are paupers or who conscientiously oppose maintaining firearms as a result of beliefs or religious doctrine, or persons convicted of a felony.
Gun rights activist David Kopel has claimed that there is evidence that this gun law has reduced the incident rate of home burglaries citing that in the first year, home burglaries dropped from 65 before the ordinance, down to 26 in 1983, and to 11 in 1984.[19] Another report observed a noticeable reduction in burglary from 1981, the year before the ordinance was passed, to 1999.[20]
Later research claims that there is no evidence that [the law] reduced the rate of home burglaries [in Kennesaw][21][22], even though the overall crime rate had decreased by more than 50% between 1982 and 2005.[23]
The city's website[24] claims the city has the lowest crime rate in the county.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Rv9j-bAV3s dude says it best in this video
Your right to have guns is more to stop the government then personal protection, so I think everyone needs atleast one apache helicopter.Quote:
Originally Posted by derrick ikwueme
Living in Australia (where guns are illegal) it's interesting looking in.
We have only had 1 major indicent like this in my life time that comes straight to mind compared to the mulitple from the US that make their way across the oceans into our news.
I have no idea on the sums of population differences between US/Australia and gun incidents so I wont even get into it.
All I know is when I was travelling around the US i did feel more aware that if I was going to get jumped/robbed etc that it might be at gun point. While in Aust my worry is if I was to get jumped/robbed it would be by numerous people or a knife would be involved. Which is better I'm not so sure.
Guns don't really enter the equation over here (talking genreally) and for me I think that feels like a better way to live.
Just my opinion and thoughts are with all those that have been hurt by this.
thugs and low lives will alway find a way to get what they want how many shootings are done with unregistered or stolen guns? if we ban guns those who dont care about the law will still find a way to get guns while the rest of us will remain unarmed
If the young man in question had tossed a pipe bomb into the audience, which he could have easily made at home (and in fact, he did make explosives, so he probably knew how), would you say anything about gun control? If you trust only the police and government with guns, then that's cool, but I don't, and I'm personally happy you have no say in taking them away from the people. The bill of rights doesn't mention guns just because they're "cool," we have the right to hold them in case of the need to physically defend our liberties. For being a group of people that usually have a very healthy distrust of government, I'm surprised you'd all want firearms banned for civilians.
Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor SafetyQuote:
Originally Posted by Ben
My company was hired by a couple theatres as security, but I have been given report from my officers that they only check people's bags for weapons.
You have the most powerful army in the world by far, and yet you expect that your guns is what will keep your institutions in check and your liberties safe. How can you believe that your gun will allow you to physically defend your liberties?! Your government has a trained and organized armed forces, Assault Helicopters, drones, Fighter Jets, bombs, tanks, etc...Quote:
Originally Posted by anthony storm
Again, if you have a gun they will only put you down faster.
I still would of tryed sneeking around theater tie him up from behind and triped him and then backmount that pussy and elbow the back on his head until he is out. I can't wait til I'm 21 I'll have a glock on me 24/7. Then we got retards saying more gun laws. Really what does that do? If you want to stop shit like this from happening you need let people conceal carry everywhere and stop the war on drugs. The main reason why illegal guns are so attainable is because of the illegal drug trade. Even thou this guy bought his gun legally doesn't mean anything look at the numbers most shootings involved illegal guns and almost everything that involves illegal gun involves the drug trade. We all need to vote for GARY JOHNSON!
The point of the second amendment is for us to defend ourselves against the government and yes guns alone we be insufficient against the U.S. army but if our rights were ever if such jeopardy don't you think that the majority of the military(young ordinary middle class people) would not rebel with us to defend of liberties.
Russia doesn't allow guns. Also their government kills journalists.
In other news. Over 400 mass shootings in USA since 2005. Interactive map.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...-epidemic.html
I may be totally wrong but I think it could kinda be like a big Afghanistan. Look how big our country is. Look how many guns we have. Just the people on my street alone could form a small "militia". And I agree. I think a lot of the military personnel would potentially side with the civilians. We could not directly stand up to tanks and jets and gunships etc etc. But I do think it would turn into a war of attrition.Quote:
Originally Posted by thekid
Those are just a few simple thoughts of mine. I am not a military expert.
Correct but your argument could be used the other way aswell...We always here the "if everyone had a gun...these events wouldn't happen"...Oh really??? Like you said whats to stop an intelligent madman from just making an explosive device (if everyone had a gun) and using that to cause mass murder?? Nothing! And their goes that argument....Guns do not guarantee your safety from a lunaticQuote:
Originally Posted by Ben
I know people hate to say this but in reality...If some determined lunatic wants to go on a killing rampage...he likely can and will succeed whether everyone has guns, or no-one has guns....If everyone has a gun he would just use a pipe bomb/explosive device (good luck with your guns saving you from that) or shoot up a middle school etc etc.
Hate to break it to you but human life is pretty disposable...
I'm against gun control because it is pointless and doesn't work but I could care less about the 2nd amendment or any of that Constitution talk...It was a document written by men in the 1770s...Whoopty Doo!!! It also had some other "less than popular" things in it that people love to forget.Quote:
Originally Posted by thekid
I don't look to the past for anything...I look at issues based on the present time and if they are effective/work now. If their was evidence that stricter gun control disarmed criminals and caused a significant reduction in crime (well it does in some countries...but not America) than I would be all for it regardless of what some men said/wrote in the 1700s...
And no the Government is not coming after you...In fact it has no idea who you are and could care less...The "government is coming for me" crap is just stupid ego talking out of it's ass...
Lol sure you would have...The 80 people in the theater stampeded to safety but I'm SURE they are just all pussies compared to you...You would have been the hero for sure! The ultimate alpha badass who would have saved the day!Quote:
Originally Posted by thekid
I think you've watched a little to much Rambo. You would have been sprinting to the nearest exit like the rest of them...let's be honest.