Outside Lockdown

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10-05-2010, 07:33 PM
Brent Smith

Outside Lockdown

Has anybody played around with using the outside lockdown instead of the inside one? My judo instructor told me the inside lockdown is better for sweeps and outside is better for subs and taking the back. I haven't really tried it out so I dunno how well it works.
10-05-2010, 07:44 PM
Josh Passini

My boy has found success with it like you said for taking the back with arm drags but he has been doing that for years so it could be a coincidence.
10-05-2010, 08:05 PM
Dustin Lou

ive never tried it, but wouldnt it be easy to get your leg out of?
10-05-2010, 08:10 PM
Josh Passini

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Originally Posted by Dustin Lou

ive never tried it, but wouldnt it be easy to get your leg out of?

For sure. I dont do it but it works for him.
10-05-2010, 08:28 PM
Brent Smith

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Originally Posted by Dustin Lou

ive never tried it, but wouldnt it be easy to get your leg out of?

That's what I would think too. Maybe if you clinch the shit out of it..I dunno
10-05-2010, 08:30 PM
Dustin Lou

yeah....maybe if you really clinched it hard...but is so natural for your leg to go inside, rather than outside. I dunno, ill have to try it out sometime just to see what its like. in fact, ill prolly check online for anything about outside lockdown....
10-05-2010, 09:04 PM
AJ Camacho

I only use the outside lockdown when guys are used to unhooking their foot out of the lockdown. It reels them back in and then their default ankle motion doesn't lose the grapevine. So they jerk the wrong way, give up and then I go back to the inside lockdown.
10-05-2010, 11:53 PM
Eddie Bravo

I use the outside lockdown when playing weak side half but only because I'm so used to doing it that way from mainly playing strong side half inside lockdown. Did that make any sense? I'm baked as fuck in my hotel room in Baton Rouge. Today was the day the twister made it's way into an MMA movie :)
10-05-2010, 11:58 PM
Aab

Let me tell you guys when you play outside lockdown that that is the same grapevine as the fucking twister truck grapevine. so all you have to fucking do is get his arm over so you can situp and boom you already have his shit fucking leg grapevined just roll damn it. Im also stoned and drunk so forgive me. But seriously get his outside arm out of the way so you can sit up and then roll. I discussed this with my friend Brandon Mc from Decatur and he really didn't understand because it was a new idea by me. But I used it one night when rolling I think if he remembers ( not against him tho) and i think he saw it. But now i use it all the time. I love the truck.
10-06-2010, 12:31 AM
Brent Smith

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Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo

I use the outside lockdown when playing weak side half but only because I'm so used to doing it that way from mainly playing strong side half inside lockdown. Did that make any sense? I'm baked as fuck in my hotel room in Baton Rouge. Today was the day the twister made it's way into an MMA movie :)

Haha I got what you're saying. Do you do anything from there or do you end up switching it back to normal lockdown?

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Originally Posted by Don Blankenship

Let me tell you guys when you play outside lockdown that that is the same grapevine as the fucking twister truck grapevine. so all you have to fucking do is get his arm over so you can situp and boom you already have his shit fucking leg grapevined just roll damn it. Im also stoned and drunk so forgive me. But seriously get his outside arm out of the way so you can sit up and then roll. I discussed this with my friend Brandon Mc from Decatur and he really didn't understand because it was a new idea by me. But I used it one night when rolling I think if he remembers ( not against him tho) and i think he saw it. But now i use it all the time. I love the truck.

Hmm so basically hit an armdrag then roll him right into the truck. I bet that would work pretty smoothly.
10-06-2010, 12:32 AM
Aab

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Originally Posted by BrentSmith

Haha I got what you're saying. Do you do anything from there or do you end up switching it back to normal lockdown?

Hmm so basically hit an armdrag then roll him right into the truck. I bet that would work pretty smoothly.

Arm drag straight into the truck is money until they realize every time you arm drag its a truck a happening then they fall down to try and pull guard.
10-06-2010, 12:34 AM
K Madden

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Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo

I use the outside lockdown when playing weak side half but only because I'm so used to doing it that way from mainly playing strong side half inside lockdown. Did that make any sense? I'm baked as fuck in my hotel room in Baton Rouge. Today was the day the twister made it's way into an MMA movie :)

proud as FUCK to hear that!
10-06-2010, 06:21 AM
Bill Keeling

^ Not only the Twister, but RubberGuard, and Eddie has got to be ecstatic about Dropped being in the movie as well!!!
10-06-2010, 07:26 AM
Sarkis Matossian

When you have the outside lockdown and drag the arm, instead of going to the truck, you can also power-half directly to the twister.
10-06-2010, 07:35 AM
AJ Camacho

Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Blankenship

Let me tell you guys when you play outside lockdown that that is the same grapevine as the fucking twister truck grapevine. so all you have to fucking do is get his arm over so you can situp and boom you already have his shit fucking leg grapevined just roll damn it. Im also stoned and drunk so forgive me. But seriously get his outside arm out of the way so you can sit up and then roll. I discussed this with my friend Brandon Mc from Decatur and he really didn't understand because it was a new idea by me. But I used it one night when rolling I think if he remembers ( not against him tho) and i think he saw it. But now i use it all the time. I love the truck.

A gym mate of mine was showing me some cool transitions last night, since he saw that I was working the twister roll. One of the strongest ones was a wrestler's switch to a spladle (kind of like a banana split) off of a low single leg. The inside hooking leg is the same dynamic as the twister roll, the transition is looser due to the lack of a grapevine, but it works smoothly as a transition to the back or the truck instead of the spladle.

Just for fun, a picture of a spladle..

http://photos.mycapture.com/POAC/701586/22513707E.jpg
10-06-2010, 08:35 AM
Brent Smith

Quote:

Originally Posted by AJ Camacho

A gym mate of mine was showing me some cool transitions last night, since he saw that I was working the twister roll. One of the strongest ones was a wrestler's switch to a spladle (kind of like a banana split) off of a low single leg. The inside hooking leg is the same dynamic as the twister roll, the transition is looser due to the lack of a grapevine, but it works smoothly as a transition to the back or the truck instead of the spladle.

Just for fun, a picture of a spladle..

http://photos.mycapture.com/POAC/701586/22513707E.jpg

Its funny to get people into the spladle. I'm trying to find other ways into but so far I've only go the way off the single leg and I found a transition from the crucifix as well. Never thought of just going to the truck from the spladle. Thank you for that sir.
Another good example of the spladle is in the Joe Stevensen/Nate Diaz fight.
10-06-2010, 09:01 AM
Jon Watkins

I'm fairly sure you can see Eddie using outside Lockdown in his first round ADCC trials match.
10-06-2010, 10:12 AM
Jared Gammel

I've really started to mix my half-guard game up a lot between the two. I can transition to deep-half easier from traditional half-guard, but have been doing lockdown for longer and am much more familiar with the sweeps. I personally think they compliment each other very well and gives your opponent a lot more to think about.