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After watching "This Week In Bjj" with Shawn Williams and Eddie, the topic of the London came up. Since London is essentially the Shawn Williams Guard and Shawn had a couple answers for the cartwheel pass, I was curious if London could make a comeback. Or do you guys think it would even be worth looking into? Just keeping a tight Chill Dog or IC seems like a more solid poition but I was mainly curious, Eddie, if by talking to Shawn did he show you anything that made you rethink the position?
My thing with that is he is conceding the pass to switch to a low single. If your wrestling is better than your flexibility I say fuck with it a little bit, but I personally don't plan to throw this into my game as of now. Maybe later down the road. There's too much IMO margin for error. If I have London or Williams guard and he passes, if i don't immediately switch to that low single I get put into an "Unsettled" situation.
I could agree with that. My wrestling sucks so I think it would be a bad path for me at the moment. I did like that teeter totter sweep from jiu claw though
no, seems like a completely un-needed positional stop once the hand is on the mat. once the hand is on the mat I should have NY anyway and sure wouldn't want to leave NY to go to london. Unless the Olympics were on.
That was very sneaky and I'm definitely going to rep the shit out of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brent Smith
I dunno I think theres more options from London than there is NY. With NY you can either Pop Triangle or continue on the basic path. With London you can move to Chill Dog, triangles, omaplatas etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Greg W
NY goes to Chill Dog and you can double bag through it. If you go to chill dog from London you need to get your hand out or he will spin out. NY goes to omaplatas dam near the same way as london. As for triangles you opponents far arm is free to stop the leg while both of yours are stuck. if you go to meat hook you can wrist control to try and pass the arm. Eddie didn't get his london spun out once and decide to drop it, it was a process I'm sure and to me that video did show a significant change to stopping the spin out. My bottom turtle is pretty good, but wouldn't want to give the guy an easy pass out of my guard so I can work from turtle.
Good points.
I'm on the same page as youQuote:
Originally Posted by Greg W
Can it still be used? Yes. Can it still be effective? Yes. Should it be put back in the system? No. Master Eddie built the system to be high percentage. If London is that easy to pass, it has no place in the system IMO. I'd prefer to pass and sprawl on a low single than be in someone's guard.
If I'm on bottom, I don't want to be fighting for a low single while a guy can sprawl out on me and defend attacks where I need to fight to replace guard and have to start from scratch with williams guard. Going for a low single doesn't sound like a great choice to me.
It's obviously effective if you can get your leg in front of the face quickly. But it's not a place you wanna hang out in.
I guess I just feel theres more to the SW guard than was shown on this video. I havent really looked into the guard or studied it but I thought Shawn had said he doesnt clasp his hands (which I guess wouldnt be London anymore) so then theres more options.
Anyways I guess just cause it isnt in the system doesnt mean we're not allowed to do it. Some good opinions though
Haven't had the chance to watch but isnt the SW guard the same one Lister uses? He has a couple instructionals on YouTube if you want to check it out
Might be under Lister omoplata
Probably works best if you hip out instead of stay flat.
I use London/ Shawn Williams Guard all the time.
Just saw an MMA fight not too long ago with a BJJ black belt using it to set up a triangle.
I'm not getting it. Why not just go chill dog?
London isn't a bad position. I remember lister getting a triangle in the UFC a few years ago. It's great as it's own position.
But does it belong in the 10th planet system? I don't think so. Eddie removed it for a reason. And while Williams has his solutions to the problem, I'm not sure it should be put back into the system since chill dog kinda solves the "problem." I mean, it's Master Eddie's system so it's up to him. I just don't see why we would need to put it back in.
Isn't 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu "anything that works in no gi jiu jitsu"? So technically it is still in the system but not endorsed..Quote:
Originally Posted by David Rosado