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simple question, looking for many different points of view..... what would everybody rank the top five (or top any number) pieces to thier game that a novice should have down in order to hold thier own againt more experienced players.... basiclly , what are the bare bones you can get away with on the ground to survive, if not threaten.
1. Applying the knee up will save you alot of trouble in the open guard and make it safer to pass. 2. 100 kilos immobilization from side control is probably the easiest side control to maintain. 3. The cross knee pass is a pass that will get to into the least amount of trouble as far as submission counters are concerned. 4. Butterfly sweeps are probably the most effective simple sweeps you can learn. 5. Focus on your defense and escapes as a beginner if you want to survive. This should probably be number one, but it is not a specific technique so I mentioned it last.
There are probably about 300 basic techniques you should know to survive against experienced players though. You really need to study your ass off and get lots of reps and drills in if you don't want to get tapped like a typewriter. My favorite core basics are Marcello Monteiro's White to Blue and Blue to Purple curriculum. It is a fucking expensive DVD set, but it contains all the core elements you need to be a smash style Jiu Jitsu player. I would also recommend Bill Cooper's Escapes DVD and Gustavo Machado's Great Escapes DVD.
Start with the sorcerer and work backwards from there.
5. http://youtu.be/VE46V9iFZOM
your welcome :D
Make sure to read the description on the videos as it has a lot to offer.
1)Basic elbow escape plus Alcatraz
2)flower sweep or Toss
3)Upa and roll
4)Knee drive guard pass
5)D'arce from all positions
6) head and Arm choke from all positions
7)RNC
That should take you a while!!
Work on the basic escapes, and find one particular strategy for attacking. Build upon that strategy with more techniques. This way you have a game plan as well.
LMAO.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobby rivers
I'm still a novice and my best techs are
1. Double under pass
2. Destroying the near arm in side control
3. Americana from side control
4. Flower sweep
5. Lockdown series (mostly the electric chair or mechanic sweep)
The advice in here is great though. I'm going to take it myself and work in them when I have time again.
EDIT: and a word of advice. Work what you learned in class. Remember, your teacher knows more than you and knows what works. Your brain might want to do things your own way, but trust your teachers. My JJ improved, literally, over night just from working the series' I've learned in class.
1 shrimp
2 upa
3 kimura
4 hip bump sweep
5 rear naked choke
-Scissor Sweep from guard
-When in side control one hand grabs the back of his elbow the other hand on his back. Bridge into him and then go for the reversal by flipping him over on the opposite side, ending up in his side control.
Both of these are very simple and have work for me a ton.
lockdown, kimura, arm-triangle, re-guarding, butterfly guard. In no particular order.
I don't mean to be a douche here, but the double under pass is going to get a novice guillotined or loop choked by an experienced grappler. A novice can also get crucifixed and triangled and omaplataed and swept and all kinds fucked up going for this move against an experienced grappler. I am not saying it doesn't work. The double under pass is one of my go to moves, but you need to know how to recounter the bottom guy's counters or be fast and on point with your technique to get it to work. I should also add that applying the knee up (the first technique that I mentioned a novice should learn) can get you into trouble against a guy who likes to play legs or de la riva if you are not executing it properly, but I think a novice should learn this early on so they don't get triangled and armbarred all the time.
Oh and I like Brent's top 5 alot as well. :cool:
I concur with Brent's 4. I took RNC because as a novice I never got anyone's back :) My number 5. would be triangle from the guard.Quote:
Originally Posted by brent_littell
Sorry brent I agree with you 80% of the time ;)
Good pointQuote:
Originally Posted by cade
The way I was thinking was if they turned over from mount.
To be honest. I think defense would be the first five but I know they asked for how to win
Not a douchey post. They're good points. Again, I'm a novice. And you're right, a lot of bad things happened to me (and still happen every so often) when I go for the double under pass. I was only saying what I'm good at, not what every novice should learn. I'm in agreement with the higher ranked folk in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Watkins
I agree. RNC is tough to get as every one defends the heck out of em in training. I would replace with lock Down for controll. You can grab it when they break full guard, controll and recover. Some guys will just tap from pain, or give the sweep to get out of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by cade
This is really similar to my thoughts, it makes me feel like my instructor is keeping my head in the right direction (thanks Derek)Quote:
Originally Posted by brent_littell
I think that with that upa good solid proper bridge needs to be taught. How to get your hips high and how to bridge with your head and not your shoulder. Once i figured that out it i went from rarely escaping bad spots to regularly disrupting my opponents base enough to either escape or force a scramble.
I think when you say shrimp it would cover shrimping to escape mount and side control all the way to guard.
If you put a guard pass in there then you could have a cycle where u can pass guard get to mount and submit. If you end up on your back then you know how to get to guard (shrimping). From guard you know how to mount (hip bump) or submit (Kimura). From mount u can submit (kimura). If u end up in guard u know how to pass. The only place u would really be screwed is if someone took your back.
I think 5 is really to few...i think at 10 u could start to round yourself out.
Then again am I only a blue what do i know...
Thanks for being cool about it. I try not to be a jerk when I propose an argument on the internet and leave that to the trolls. I also think the double under pass is a good pass to learn early on. It is just not my first choice of passes to use against a guy who is better than me.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Rosado
I chose the double under pass because of a couple of reasons.
1. I assumed that the person asking would be doing no gi (even though I'm teaching it in a kimono)
2. It's a low pass that does not require any grips.
3. It does not require the less experienced guy to stand. Let me be absolutely clear, I believe standing is the best way to pass at higher levels but the truth is at lower levels most people are wheebles and will fall over if they try to stand and/or break their posture to try and stand.
4. This pass focuses on keeping good posture until it's time to bring both hands in, which is something that is easy for a white belt to focus on.
5. If your'e fighting someone more advanced and you find yourself in their guard it is not an accident that you are there. In this event what pass would you suggest someone do over the double under assuming that they are a novice and dont have the base to stand and you're in no gi?
I try to be open to correction when someone knows more than me. Hahaha. But yeah, it's not the first pass I learned. It's just my most successful one so far. And by so far I mean just about a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Watkins
actually I didnt choose the double under...but I would have included it if I had picked a guard escape :D
Ah great points. This actually explains why I find a lot of success with it. Jon is right that it can be dangerous. Mostly if you don't maintain posture. If nothing else you can baby wipe. But you make great points on why it's good for a beginner. Good post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy "The Gerbil" Arel
Assuming, it is open guard, I believe the cross knee pass is a safer option for a novice. If I were personally passing, my pass of choice is a mean variation of the ananias pass where I splay the legs extra wide while passing. I also like no gi varation of the scoop and dive pass that also splays the legs. I perform all the above mentioned passes from the knee up postion and the second two I also perform from standing as well. Closed guard breaks are a whole different can of worms. I like Popovitch's no gi stuff there. And again, I believe that the double under is a great pass to learn starting out. It is just not my first choice when I am facing someone better than me because too much can go wrong. I am not saying it doesn't work though and I think it is a totally legit pass once it is mastered. I would just not recommend it to a novice looking to survive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy "The Gerbil" Arel