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I know 90% of people probably go straight to the RNC from the back.. but does anyone else prefer something different? I saw Eddie likes going to Spider-web, and I personally like the pentagram choke (With the armbar as my safety net if I dont get it) So I was just wondering if anyone else prefers taking a different path from the back? Any Twister players? or maybe some reverse trianglers? Just curious. :P
Back widow/ swim move are tied for #1 with transitioning to the truck via chevy #2. While they are preoccupied trying to defend their limbs is when I snatch up the rnc.
Ive never heard of "Back widow".. Im just assuming its the move that takes place when swimming to the spider web?
Lately ive been going to the truck if Im having trouble getting the RNC. Plus guys will try to shuck one of the hooks off so transitioning to the truck is easy. Also moving back to the back mount from the truck is easy too so plenty of optionsQuote:
Originally Posted by chronic_jiujitsu
Twister or swim if can't get rnc. Sometimes though I just like to put in the third hook.
I like the 7 year old choke... Jeff Glover showed it to me a month ago. It is pretty sick... Look around 1:40:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73Cd...layer_embedded
I go for the armbar i hate wasting time on the back...i hate crushing the jaw when i finish the RNC (unless competing in which case idc) so i dont try to hard to grind it out. I have way more options from spiderweb. Armbar all the way.
truck#1 pimpangle/back widow given the situation#2 man if someone tries to stands w/ me on their back i get so giddy that i almost or sometime just flat out fuck up the pimpangle. lol
I try the RNC first. If I don't get within a minute or so I'll transition to the truck and look for the twister.
I like to setup the arm triangle from the back. They think they're out and they just escaped right into my best finish.
Besides going to spider web and the truck, I also love going to the dan severn :)
Damn, I like the look of that choke. I'll have to try that out.Quote:
Originally Posted by cade
Cheers
Always to twister, or calf crank.
i actually saw that video today. what makes the choke so effective? is it harder to defend that a traditional RNC?Quote:
Originally Posted by cade
I like transtioning to Baret Yoshida's choke no gi. And a shin choke in the gi. Both kinda douchey moves, but they look cool so..... :)
i can confirm that eddie likes this, as he has nearly severed my spine with it on multiple occasions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo
Its funny, when I wrote this.. I actually wondered if anyone ever set up arm triangles from there. I guess that answers that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon Mccaghren
i'll take any excuse i can get to set in an arm triangle.Quote:
Originally Posted by chronic_jiujitsu
I actually land armbar transitions from the back every so often and it's an awesome feeling, otherwise RNC :)
Love me some Pimp Angles, Swim Moves, TRuck Transitions, and Back Widows.
I like going to truck just for the hell of it. I'm not good at finishing the twister as I roll up quite a bit in weight but i just like to see how long i can hold truck and fight for the twister.
if im on the back im usually looking at twisters and spiderweb. i really just like to let them make the decision. turtle up n im swimming, table top n its chevy. tripod n its pimp angle. just depends on what the guys thinking. :)
Quality thread. I had no idea how few are saying RNC.
Eddie made it really clear to me when he talked about the truck being the perpendicular back control, and hooks in being parallel back control.
There really are an astounding erray of various subs starting in the truck. This is what makes it a joy to attempt to master.
It seems like a lot of high level grapplers just do not know how to escape or defend from there, so it makes it all the more advantageous.
To that end you cant really argue against it. Thing is when you introduce GNP into the equation the parallel half of back control goes up in stock a shit lot. Whereas the truck doesnt. I have gone to the truck in MMA sparring but dont know of a spot where you can land the sort of unbridled gnp you can if you flatten your opponent out with hooks in. Its an incredible shortcut to the end of a fight, simple.
So for me, as much fun as I'm having exploring the truck and all the twister options I prefer transitioning to them from lesser positions of dominance than actual back control.
Short answer: The bodylock with the Dan Severn is really high percentage in both nogi as well as MMA if youre not in a good enough spot to land fight finishing GNP.