Lockdown variation

Hey I just wanted to post this variation i have of the lock down. thought some people might wanna try it out. you just have to click on the link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_x16INYMfM

i feel it gives better control and i quite often get submissions from this though i dunno what it would be actually, it just hurts, its not like a calf crank or anything. you have to have pretty good ankle flexibility and bigger feet is useful. it can also put a bit of strain on the knees but when you strech the opponent out then it is no problem. its a wee bti like the invisible collar in that its just a control but you can tap people out from it. have fun and write up what you all think.

btw apart from twister i havnt really found anything that you can do in normal lockdown that you cant in the variation. theres also a mean modified stomp that i show in the video.

I also have a thing ive been working on from the back that ill try and put up later.

thanks to tobi and nils :)

Comp vids with tech?

First off, WHY!! what does it do that lock down can't. The lock down stops the guy from swinging his foot into your ass and hidding it. This looks like nothing stopping the guy from swinging his foot in and hiding it. Then you can't even get the lock down back once he does that, just back to regular half.

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Originally Posted by bobby rivers

Comp vids with tech?

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Yeah. I wouldn't trust my knees to that lockdown. It's twisting your leg the direction that an inside heel hook does...meaning, one false move and your knee is wrecked.

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Originally Posted by Greg W

First off, WHY!! what does it do that lock down can't. The lock down stops the guy from swinging his foot into your ass and hidding it. This looks like nothing stopping the guy from swinging his foot in and hiding it. Then you can't even get the lock down back once he does that, just back to regular half.

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Yeah it looks a little weird, but lets see where it goes you know? :)

If he gets some comp vids with technique like bobby asked for, then we can see if its got any potential to become anything once the highers get a look at it.

I think i've seen a variation of that at the Renzo Academy in Baltimore, u can use that to apply a crank somewhat but I agree that it does potentially risk some stress on ur own leg. Have u found it effective within ur rolls with teammates?

i showd it to eddie when he was over in stockholm and he liked it. i find it extremly effective against practically anyone ive used it on, and the why is that you have better control, it takes them way longer to ge out, u can control the movement of their leg alot more because you have more points of contact, and it hurts the opponent atleast just to annoy them. the opponent cant kick your foot of as easily as normal lockdown. as far as the knee goes, theres a bit of strain on there but you can just strech your leg right out which relieves it right away, also the difference between this and the heelhook position is that the opponent has control over the ankle etc, here the moment it gets to much your foot slips out easily and the opponent cant twist your foot far enough.im pretty flexible and im pretty small only 67kg like 144 pounds so this maybe something that is especially suitd for me, but even being so small i can control guys over 200 pounds. its not perfect but it really does work.

ill try and get some footage up here, possibly just of rolling in the gym, but the next tournament over here is in november so itll take a while until i get real footage up.

but try it out before you all troll. :)

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Originally Posted by Isaac Atley

i showd it to eddie when he was over in stockholm and he liked it. i find it extremly effective against practically anyone ive used it on, and the why is that you have better control, it takes them way longer to ge out, u can control the movement of their leg alot more because you have more points of contact, and it hurts the opponent atleast just to annoy them. the opponent cant kick your foot of as easily as normal lockdown. as far as the knee goes, theres a bit of strain on there but you can just strech your leg right out which relieves it right away, also the difference between this and the heelhook position is that the opponent has control over the ankle etc, here the moment it gets to much your foot slips out easily and the opponent cant twist your foot far enough.im pretty flexible and im pretty small only 67kg like 144 pounds so this maybe something that is especially suitd for me, but even being so small i can control guys over 200 pounds. its not perfect but it really does work.

ill try and get some footage up here, possibly just of rolling in the gym, but the next tournament over here is in november so itll take a while until i get real footage up.

but try it out before you all troll. :)

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Seems legit. :)

I will now commence playing around with it next time I roll! That way I too can throw my 2 cents in for having used it myself. :)

No one is trolling, they are questioning the legimacy of the technique. I am puzzled by your "heel hook" response, as your leg is in the exact position I'd want it in for a heel hook, controling the ankle or not, that position can put major stress on your ACL.

I dont see anything wrong with it. Doesnt seem to be better or worse than the lockdown, just a slight variation. Is there anything you can do with it that you cant do with the lockdown? Would there be any benefit to switch to this variation instead of using the good old lockdown?

EDIT: I see you already answered these questions up above

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Originally Posted by Chris Herzog

No one is trolling, they are questioning the legimacy of the technique. I am puzzled by your "heel hook" response, as your leg is in the exact position I'd want it in for a heel hook, controling the ankle or not, that position can put major stress on your ACL.

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Originally Posted by Brent Smith

I dont see anything wrong with it. Doesnt seem to be better or worse than the lockdown, just a slight variation. Is there anything you can do with it that you cant do with the lockdown? Would there be any benefit to switch to this variation instead of using the good old lockdown?

EDIT: I see you already answered these questions up above

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I'll try to be the guinea pig for this one...My bro's a good size bigger than me so I'll have him left me try this out a while...It might be a little alright to try, especially if a guy tries to pass your lockdown once, and then the second time you lockdown this way, so it might throw your opponent off just enough to switch back, and try something out.

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Originally Posted by Chris Herzog

No one is trolling, they are questioning the legimacy of the technique. I am puzzled by your "heel hook" response, as your leg is in the exact position I'd want it in for a heel hook, controling the ankle or not, that position can put major stress on your ACL.

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wait ................. you know leg locks now what kinda wizardry is this :)

I don't think knees are meant to twist that way.

Having had knee surgery I wince when watching. Not saying it is bad or ineffective, It's just personally I don't think I would use it.

If you like controlling the foot from that side, I can understand that to a degree. Why not place the heel of your right foot (rather than your toes) on that side of your opponents shin instead? This will allow you to pull with your hamstring, locking him into a very effective calf crank with little to no stress on your own knee.

If I recall correctly, I believe Eddie tapped a guy out with this calf lock in competition as a Blue Belt. I think I saw that in "The Twister."

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Originally Posted by Brandon Mccaghren

If you like controlling the foot from that side, I can understand that to a degree. Why not place the heel of your right foot (rather than your toes) on that side of your opponents shin instead? This will allow you to pull with your hamstring, locking him into a very effective calf crank with little to no stress on your own knee.

If I recall correctly, I believe Eddie tapped a guy out with this calf lock in competition as a Blue Belt. I think I saw that in "The Twister."

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I found this tech when I was a white belt on accident. Like a kamikaze calf crank from lockdown. I thought I was gonna wreck fools with it. I have never used it since. My game is simplifying as it complexes. Or maybe I just perceive it that way.

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Originally Posted by bobby rivers

I found this tech when I was a white belt on accident. Like a kamikaze calf crank from lockdown. I thought I was gonna wreck fools with it. I have never used it since. My game is simplifying as it complexes. Or maybe I just perceive it that way.

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I think that must be part of the Purple Belt growth. I am purposefully shrinking my game. Expansion by contraction. Depth over breadth.

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Originally Posted by Brandon Mccaghren

I think that must be part of the Purple Belt growth. I am purposefully shrinking my game. Expansion by contraction. Depth over breadth.

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Crazy cause thats exactly what Im doing. I used to be a huge technique collector. Now im completely shrinking it down to key submissions and positions

I have very very long thing legs, most of my opponents are much shorter than me. It is very difficult for me to secure lockdown on most people, and I just have to rely on the knee squeeze for control. I also have a semi perpetually sprained ankle on my good side so it makes lockdown even harder. Because of these reasons, I will commonly switch to this version just to pull their leg down so I can get a proper lockdown, or shift my hips or start initiating stomp series manuvers. although I will rarely use my toes to hook like this, because its far too much stress when someones sprawling that leg counter to it(like if they buttocks compressor).

Instead, I will move the inside leg out like that, and plant my heel down, then slide my heel crecent motion inward to get hooked and Z bend their leg, move my heel onto their heel , and work a stomp to throw in butterflys because at this point theres mega space. I don't think Id be able to hold it very long as shown in the video, but my busted ankle might contribute to why...

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Originally Posted by Isaac Atley

ill try and get some footage up here, possibly just of rolling in the gym, but the next tournament over here is in november so itll take a while until i get real footage up.

but try it out before you all troll. :)

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That'd be cool. Definitely not trolling. I'm presenting a concern. I like it in theory, but I just feel like it puts your knee in danger and the opponent's knee isn't. Running through scenarios in my head, if I start to feel my knee twist the wrong way, I'd unwrap and go back to regular LD. But in that split second, I'm giving the opponent a chance to pass. But if you can get there and whip up to your side quickly, I think the stress on your knee would be relieved.

I'd say develop it man. Don't take it as negative criticism. Take it like, maybe you're onto something you just need to keep tweaking it. Come up with ways to take the knee out of danger. Show its effectiveness. Because if it's really that good, I'd like to use it too. I'm just not trying to risk my knees on it. I didnt' try rubber guard until my teacher taught me how to avoid knee stress. So yeah.

My concern is just getting the unders, securing the Lockdown, and then whipping as fast as possible, before they can start to unwind their leg. Good guys are crazy good at passing, and also at defeating the lockdown. That's good for them, but if I can send them flying with the whip first, they have no time to do that. So for me, the lockdown is all about speed. If I had more diverse strategies, or were better at regaining it, I could spend more time there, but I'm not that good. If I have one under I go right to new stomp, if I have two I whip.

So I don't feel it fits in my game. I can however testament to it's pain inducing capabilities. Isac but me in it, and even if I'm a badass, (I am, really, you must believe me), I started sweating, letting out funny sounds, and flailed my arms around a little, like an injured penguin. (Don't laugh, I'm hard, I'm telling you!)

Maybe one use could be as a distraction, before the jaws of life, or stomp?

Thank you for sharing. Vids?

didnt think people would troll just in case. :) umm lets see, as far as the ankle heel thing goes the reason why it looks so dangerous is just me, i have hyperflexibility especially in my ankles hips and shoulders. so i get my ankles around almost 270 degrees comfortably. i really dont think that far is actually necessary but for me its quite comfortable because i feel i have more control. as far as the knee goes, ive never had any problem with it. scientifically i have no idea why not but maybe thats got something to do with the flexibilty aswell. ill keep on looking into it, maybe i can figure out why.

and in reply to brandon, why i put my toes in instead of just the heel, is of course partially because of control, it feels like im wrapping around their leg more but the other side to it is that when i wrap my foot in that way it puts my shin bone against the back of their leg which causes major discomfort if not a tap, also because of the pain people are more likely to stop resisting and therefore you have more control. ill give the heel one a go, but i tried seeing if i could get a kind of calf crank going already and i found it really hard, maybe jsut changing the timing but i found i was pushing him on me while trying to reach for the leg and i couldnt really reach it in time to get any control.

and to david, cheers man im definitly going to keep tweaking it but i thought id put it up on here and see what others thought of it, maybe they can see what needs tweaked easier than i can. with the switch to normal lockdown, its really not a big chance at all for the opponent to pass because your other leg still has really quite a good control. just do a tight leg curl and you can pull the leg out and put it back in before they know whats happened, once again not 100% but high percentage id say.

and as for videos, i dunno who else was taking them but i think magnus got some videos of me showing the guys in sweden, olafs facials would be worth the video in itself :D but yeah if they could possibly put them up it would be wicked.

and to dan conway, its really good for long legs and its twists them more around the opponents leg, but i have stubs with feet on the end and it still works fine for me so yeah, as far as advantages go maybe this is better for long legs.

i hope i answered everything, im gunna keep on working on it and im still trying to get videos up of rolling with it. i tapped a few guys yesterday with it though, just no videos. :) thanks for all the input btw