Interesting Gracie "debate" on Triangle from (Monkey) Mount

The lastest Gracie techniique clip is rather interesting because they actually present 2 ways to do the Triangle from a mount position that looks like Eddie's "Monkey Mount". Usually the Gracie Academy comes across as a place where there is NO room for debate since all the technniques were created by Helio Gracie and no one can challenge his wisdom -a very Karate way of thinking, btw.

I would expect at Eddie's academy, there's room for, "I prefer to do it this way," whereas at the Gracie academy I picture the attitude being more of, "This is how its done." Of course I wouldn't be surprised if at the Gracie Academy though, the only ones who can put their own spin on the techniques are Rener and Ryron...

Anyway, here's the vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc5YR...yer_embedded#!

"why stop in chicago"....i thought the debt was interesting since like you said it always seemed to be this is how its done rather then a matter of i do it this way and he does it this way

Gangsta Lean

keep the wrist pinned and slide your leg through..def the most secure method

I think pinning the wrist would be more stable.

Not necessary to step on the bicep. I like those guys.

I really enjoy their energy in all their videos. Another nice touch is just how quick, fluid and precise their movements are. They have put in some serious numbers.

Those guys are some cheery ass motha fuckers. I dig em!

I'm relieved to see 10th Planet Instructors and students talk about Rener and Ryron in a positive light, it seems sheik nowadays to give them flak. Its true the teaching philosophy's differ from other Jiu Jitsu schools, that goes way back to when Carlos opened up all techniques to everyone and Helio reserved more advanced techniques for the higher belt levels. However as a student of theirs and seeing the advanced curriculum beyond blue belt, this type of "what works for you"/"i prefer to do this" teaching becomes more common. You can see this even in their free Super Hooks lesson where they talk about why they taught mount controls in a certain "this is how its done" way even though there are plenty of variations. They do it to keep people focused and active in a chaotic suprise attack, and its assumed not everyone who learns jitz wants to be a multi-faceted grappler and may just want to be able to protect themselves using the simplest version of the moves.

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Originally Posted by Lsloewen

I'm relieved to see 10th Planet Instructors and students talk about Rener and Ryron in a positive light, it seems sheik nowadays to give them flak. Its true the teaching philosophy's differ from other Jiu Jitsu schools, that goes way back to when Carlos opened up all techniques to everyone and Helio reserved more advanced techniques for the higher belt levels. However as a student of theirs and seeing the advanced curriculum beyond blue belt, this type of "what works for you"/"i prefer to do this" teaching becomes more common. You can see this even in their free Super Hooks lesson where they talk about why they taught mount controls in a certain "this is how its done" way even though there are plenty of variations. They do it to keep people focused and active in a chaotic suprise attack, and its assumed not everyone who learns jitz wants to be a multi-faceted grappler and may just want to be able to protect themselves using the simplest version of the moves.

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I feel like those 2 guys are some of the best Jiu Jitsu instructors alive right now. All of the best teachers (whatever their subject) have one thing in common: they are passionate about what they teach. In the Jiu Jitsu world, Ryron and Rener are 2 of the best examples of that.

As far as the technique itself goes, both variations work. I am surprised to hear that they "prefer" one tech over the other; I would think that it depends on the situation and your opponent's arm placement (as well as his insistence on keeping it in a certain position). "Flow with the go" FTW.

When I try to "fly direct" I notice they get the hand in or arm in between the triangle relieving some pressure. If I control the wrist and hook the leg behind the neck deep it's a done deal. But I like these two as well. Always entertaining.

Someone pointed out that the position is Eddie's "Gangsta Lean" not "Monkey Mount". i believe in Eddie's version of that mount you grab over the shoulder with your left hand, rather than grabbing the neck. I've always found it more natural for me to grab the neck.

I came across those guys a few months ago.. definitely entertaining and goofy

I like the part at the end about posting this vid everywhere. And the finger snaps, that always cracks me up for some reason.

The finger snap started with Rorion way back in the original Rorion / Royce instructionals. You know the ones where Rorion would explain like one technique for 30 or 40 minutes while Royce who everybody thought was the greatest fighter in the world at that time, just sort of stood there and didn't say a word.

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Originally Posted by Don Blankenship

Gangsta Lean

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exactly, monkey mount is something different.

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Originally Posted by Ric

Someone pointed out that the position is Eddie's "Gangsta Lean" not "Monkey Mount". i believe in Eddie's version of that mount you grab over the shoulder with your left hand, rather than grabbing the neck. I've always found it more natural for me to grab the neck.

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the gangsta lean is the position that the instructor is in in the beginning of the video. the monkey mount is when you move from feet on the floor to putting your feet in on top of your opponants hips or lower abdomen. monkey mount gives you leverage for arm triangles, and then theres the impaler, which Neale loves to do to me knowing how much I hate it. lol

They're definitely two of my favourite instructors who post videos online. Especially Rener!