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Ah....another night going home with gi burn on my face!
I roll at an MMA school and there is this Gracie guy that rolls with a gi.
How do you tell a Gracie trained guy that he needs to lose the gi?
The kicker is that he trains MMA, but he only wears the gi for grappling!
Now my face looks fucked!
The debate that Gi makes you a better grappler because it is harder to escape when someone can grab you. Well I will say that training No Gi is harder because of the sweat makes it easier to escape, so it’s harder to hold someone down and submit them. You have to learn to be tighter for No Gi & MMA because of the sweat factor. Is the glass half empty or half full? You guys can decide.
If he train MMA....You train how you fight. No Gi!!!!
A Brazilian says its ok to play No Gi for MMA! Show him the video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=-5p_Aetye7M
I prefer No Gi but there are a lot of positives in training in Gi. It's way more difficult to pass and to escape submissions. You can't just slip out of arm bars, triangles, half guard, etc. It forces you to slow down and be more technical.
True. It keeps you warm during the winter. What pillow fight would be complete without it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Griffin Lambert
Indeed!Quote:
Originally Posted by Brent Smith
Do the Gracies have to get steel wool variety to sell to their students though?
Can't they make a smooth version.
Seems to make sense... keeping your opponent from being able to grab your gi.
If he's wearing a gi, and you're not, you have a huge advantage.
Hang drying the gi makes them feel like sandpaper..or so I'm told.Quote:
Originally Posted by CHRI5 MA50N
'Gi jiu jitsu is better than no jiu jitsu!'
TBH I myself like gi and no-gi equally (as i am sure many here do). However i do not do MMA. If i did i would likely drop the Gi immediately. Some guys just like the Gi, and the tradition etc etc. No point in trying to change their minds. You end up looking like the narrow-minded one. Just let things happen organically. If they want to go strictly no-gi then they will, in time. The system will speak for itself IMO. :-)
I don't see my advantage if I'm studying and training in no gi. I'm not grabbing his gi, because I'm not trained to.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobby rivers
If were following gi rules, then I would. I'm just no comfortable starting bad habits because one guy wears a gi to a no gi class.
I'd say take the advantage he's giving you. If he gets pissed that he's getting collar choked or that you're slipping out of submissions because he can't hold on to you, maybe he'll change his mind about rolling in the gi. Some folks just need to SEE where the advantages and disadvantages are; telling them until your blue in the face just doesn't work with some folks. If he gets sick of being gi choked and arm barred all the time he may well see the light.Quote:
Originally Posted by CHRI5 MA50N
I am 100% nogi.
Except for I wore gi pants last night. lol
Only if youre used to grabbing lapels..If not you may grab the wrong place and pay for it. In a smaller tournament "back in the day" I watched a bunch of guys who werent wearing gi's get armbarred very quickly by a guy in the gi because they grabbed in the wrong spotQuote:
Originally Posted by bobby rivers
So just 50% lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Kurzy
Chris, how long have you been training?
Brent, don't put your arms in the same places you wouldn't nogi. I started straight nogi. First gi I ever put on, was in the blue div of a tournament and proper jj fundamentals allowed me to win with 0 gi experience.
Being able to adapt and capitalize on any advantage can be very useful when trying to send a message. Ie- don't wear a gi to nogi. What you call bad habits I call useful tricks for the futer. If you continue to train, you will see more like him.
Hahaha, yeah well I had a whaling bruise on my shin, so I had to pad it with an MMA shin pad and tape it on, so I wore pants over it just for that night. I really did like the feel of rolling with the Gi pants though. Way more traction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brent Smith
100% no-gi, no pants, no rules or it's only 50%. Wanna be real. Roll naked. Practioner is subjected to persecution and law suits. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kurzy
I think Im the only one that doesnt like rolling with gi pantsQuote:
Originally Posted by Kurzy
Shit well then we need some women to join our club!
I look at it like i play Call of Duty, you have Hardcore and non-Hardcore both equally challenging, but played different within the same game. Were with Hardcore the player dies within 3 hits (depending on the weapon).
Were with non-Hardcore you need to focus on body parts really hard like the head to kill him quicker because the unit can take way more damage. It's the same difference, but everyone has to choose there own path.
In Eddie's vision who's focus is to train for MMA, Rickson Gracie is focusing on the basic bjj techniques were Gracie Barra is focusing on the tournaments.
Everyone has to choose there own way of Bjj on there journey, in my opinion there is no wrong or right, you choose whats wrong or right for u.
Just a little over a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobby rivers
I'll admit, I do like to wear gi pants some of the time, but they are the type used for no gi, very smooth and light compared to Gracie type gis. (The kind you see Eddie wearing most of the time. )
I've never trained gi, and I don't have really have the time to start. Not to mention, if we're rolling no gi rules, I still don't feel right grabbing on to dude's collar.
Yeah, I don't like rolling when even just the other guy has his gi on, gets you straight into bad habits (I was trying to use over/underhooks etc today rolling with the gi, but I just go straight into grabbing collars, sleeves etc) - so I think I'll leave the gi alone.
I like the idea of winning 2 medals vs 1.