Any one use this and whats been the outcome?
Thanks peeps......
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Any one use this and whats been the outcome?
Thanks peeps......
I think it's a great guard if you're better than your opponent at it. It's a skill based guard so if you're better, you have the advantage and it's more like an 80/20 guard (in your favor). Caio Terra recently used it and it was pretty awesome. I think a lot of high level BB's in MMA should use it more. Great way to avoid strikes, control your opponent, and you have plenty of options.
I think a lot of people hate the 50/50 because they dont understand the 50/50. It can be a great position in my opinion. I still need to get the reps in myself
I like it in the right moment. The only time I try to get there is when my opponent is standing over me. That way I can sweep him with it and take the heel hook undefended. There are other situations that land me there, but I'm not really looking for it usually.
I think if more Jiu Jitsu guys understood (and were allowed) knee reaping style footlocks the 50/50 would be less prevalent. Also, I think the 50/50 in the IBJJF rule set is incredibly boring and pointless because the entire position is rendered nearly useless without the inverted heel hook; it's used almost exclusively to gain advantages. Yes, there are other submissions available from there, but they're few and far between.
I just shed a tear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon Mccaghren
I don't mind it, don't look to play it often, will end up there sometimes though in scrambles or inverted/leg games and have no issue with it and will work from there
I like Marcelo's thoughts on it, will have to watch the vid again, but basically went like this on why he doesn't play 50/50
"I never give 50, it doesn't make sense to me, only time I every give 50 is a hand shake before the match, even good luck, I dont give it, that's stupid, if he give it of course I take it, but I never give 50"
Also, the lamest thing in bjj is gi 50/50 for advantage wins
Ryan Hall makes 50/50 look beautiful but I'm with Marcelo on this one, I don't think I will ever focus on giving someone 50% :)
Never thought about it like that. Changes my perspective on it a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liquidrob
I think someone else has been saying that a long time as well ;)
Come to think of it......yeah. I believe I have heard it before. LOL. What I took away from it was "it's skill based" so I'm thinking more along the lines of, well if my JJ is better, then I'm good. The rest didn't register until today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Herzog
I 1000% agree with this. So closely that I have said stuff just like that myself :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon Mccaghren
I would like to add, though, that I do make myself train it intentionally because many people are playing it, particularly in my weight class. I want to be comfortable playing against any guard that’s common. It’s also nice to know that I have the advantage of training the position with leg locks while much of my competition trains ignoring the “IBJJF illegal” inverted heal hook which can lead to dangerous habits for them.
That said, I’ve never initiated it in completion, only dealt with it when I’m forced there.
I'll be the odd one out here and say that I personally love the 50/50 guard. That being said.. this thread has me questioning how well I really understand it..
To me, I always just felt like, if you know how to defend leglocks from there, you might as well test the waters and see if they can defend them as well. If they can, then its probably just going to be a boring stalemate until you get into another position. If they cant.. you win..
But that being said.. I also know that Herzog knows more about leglocks than I can even begin to comprehend, and Brandon, Marcelo, and Eddie are all infinitely more knowledgeable than me. So for them to say they arent fans of the position (outside of prime opportunities to land in a submission/sweep), makes me wonder if perhaps I dont know as much as I thought I did. So I guess this would be the thread to ask.. Is 50/50 a guard you feel isnt great because you fear theres a chance you could get caught just like them? Or because at the higher levels, everyone knows how to defend leglocks.. so its probably just going to end in a boring sit-fest? I suppose its just as likely that I only grapple with blue belts and one or 2 purples occasionally (And not the Brandon kind of purple belts, More like McDojo Purple Belts) so I havent rolled with many people who I feel threatened by when it comes to their leglock skills compared to my ability to defend them. So I dont really know what to expect at the higher levels. So, risky?.. or just boring?..
i'd rather have a single leg X over the 50/50. and i'd rather have a knee reap over the single leg X.
i actually don't like the 50/50 but in order for me to convert my game to IBJFF friendly rules, I've had to resort to it. i actually prefer instep hooking their thigh (like Manny Gamburian showed on Mastering the System) than the 50/50 because if things start to fall apart it's pretty easy to stand up and start over.
Really interesting to see what Eddie and Zog think of the 50/50
I actually really like the passing options coming out of 50/50. I use the position quite a bit and I don't even go for leglocks, since I'm new at my current school, but just like it for sweeping and passing.
I can see where others are coming from though, that if you can just totally dominate, why give them anything.
I prefer the "sambo leg knot" to all leg lock controls.
I find that you have good leverage for the finish from "50/50 guard" and it's harder to get out but that you can get subbed. so I don't like it.
From "1 leg x-guard" I don't feel like i have as much control or leverage but I can't be subbed. this is my 2nd favourite choice, I use this for ankle locks before going to leg knot and most of my transitions to 'the knot" come from here.
From "The Saddle" i don't feel like I have any leverage but it's hard to escape.
From the "sambo leg knot" I get lots of leverage it's hard to escape and i can't be subbed. but it can be tricky to get there if you don't know some good transitions.
There are counter leg locks from the knee knot, they just aren't well know ;)
Interesting.... I'm going to have to figure these out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Herzog
thanks bro good point i will keep it in mindQuote:
Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo