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qft. srsly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Ludington
lol i love thease silly videos, it's funny how one dude thinks he can debunk a whole subject. while using mainstream science info which is filterd by dudes that depend on government grants to run there labs, i was listening to an interview with a dna scientist in regards to african tribes that have midocondrial dna that is completly unknown, and is much older than regular human dna
and is closer to modern humans but not related to neanderthols or any early homonids, and linda moulton how asked him could this be the result of alien intervention, and the dude just scwormed and squeeld like a little bitch and started studdering and tried to completly avoid the question like he was afraid to even talk about it. & i was thinking man this dude needs some back bone, no wonder you can't get a streight answer out of thease people, thats why main stream science is a joke on this subject. whats science without open minds and serious uncomfortable questions
Did you watch the video and not find it compelling?Quote:
Originally Posted by derrick ikwueme
Derrick- link to the interview? That sounds interesting.
Not Debunked...Just Opposing Thoughts, Theories & Possiblys...
It's funny that the lack of an open mind gets attributed to the side that demands evidence for extraordinary claims, and when the preponderance of that evidence winds up on the other side of the argument, it is brushed off as "just opposing thoughts".
good point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Van
I particularly disagreed with the art experts and building technique theories in this documentary...these are both fields of interest I have knowledge in and some of the basic info in this film is poo poo
Interesting. Which parts do you think are inaccurate?
Science had to remain open to "possibilities" now matter how unlikely they may be. That being said, it seems people who believe in stuff like this, typically, discount all science because some scientist work for corporations or because some work is done with government grants. If they actually spent the time to understand how peer review, grant funding ect works in real life they'd see these are insignificant factors at most. The media picking and choosing "scientific findings" for entertainment gives the impression that all science is bullshit. Nevermind the fact that we're using computers right now and not dying from the plague. Most people are just going to believe what feels right to them, just like many do with religion. Of course IF there is an intelligent species that was capable of traveling to earth then we could assume they would possess a level of technology that would allow them to do whatever they want without being detected. You don't travel over 4 light years and then accidentally crash in new mexico.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Van
Still want to know what these chemtrails are supposed to be, that ones a little more down to earth. (pun intended)
Maybe he didn't know how to answer without being rude or making them feel stupid? IDK, I didnt see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by derrick ikwueme
Which QFT was that?Quote:
Originally Posted by David Rosado
Quoted for truth, or Quit Fkin Talkin.
I'm old and shit, sometimes you have to spell it out.
Quoted for truth, or Quit Fkin Talkin.
I'm old and shit, sometimes you have to spell it out.[/QUOTE]
I barely just learned lol and i'm only thirty. Thats what I get for living in the fuckin woods.
Without even looking at the video, I will statistically prove the existence of aliens.
thousands of discovered known planets, in a space about 10% of the known universe that is nearly infinitely expanding. Take the 50 or so found in said space with temperatures similar to earths and atmospheric similarities and you now have the possibility of "life" as can exist in our known elemental science. Now, increase the numbers of planets, solar systems, livable moons, etc etc... and you are now looking at hundreds of thousands of potential homes for life.
So for me, the existence of intelligent life is nothing if not mathematically certain!
Unless the argument of the video is ancient aliens helping early civilizations... in which case, I missed the argument completely. Ah well. I feel smart.
Of course the modern scientific view of the universe suggests that alien life is highly probably. I would personally be shocked if we somehow discovered that the only life in the universe existed on Earth. But, your statement is irrelevant to the discussion, because Ancient Aliens is indeed about the assertion that extraterrestrials visited Earth in ancient history, and helped build the megalithic structures around the world. As the video demonstrates, most of the evidence for this idea is spurious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyle Hilfiker
gonna take a while to watch this. Watched the Puma Punku part yesterday and some of the Giza Pyramids part. So far the only thing that seemed iffy was comparing the ways used to build obelisks with how the Giza Pyramids might have been built. Seems like unproven hypothesis used to battle unproven hypothesis... Of course AA peoples sling around aliens mustve done it so much that it almost seems like the show is purposefully full of disinformation to distract people (maybe not on purpose) from the idea of pre-historic civilizations existing which probably gets more complicated... If people from other planets were here longer than us should they still be called aliens or is it then their planet? Just a goofy question in my head, not really trying to get at anything
gonna have to watch this video in sections
Scientist do accept that mathematically it is essentially a certainty that somewhere in the vastness of reality, intelligent beings other than ourselves exist. Unfortunately due to many physical factors of our reality it is extremely unlikely we'll ever met them.
Right on. Here's where I'm coming from: extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. If there is clear evidence that the Egyptians could quarry the stone, transport the stone, and shape the stone with the tools they had; if there is any plausible theory as to how they could have constructed the pyramids on their own; then, the addition of the highly implausible variable of aliens into the equation - an idea for which there is no evidence, other than the fact that building pyramids is hard (which actually isn't evidence for aliens, just not evidence against, which is not the same thing.) is silly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Marshall
Further, after watching this video, it becomes pretty clear that at least the people on this particular television show are peddling flat out fabrications.
I am not against the idea of aliens visiting the Earth. I find the idea fascinating, and I am curious as to why we do not have concrete evidence of this, considering the size and age of the universe. However, the truth matters to me, and I am not going to believe everything that supports an idea that I want to believe, just because it's more fun, or more satisfying to my ego, or something like that. I wanted to believe the Ancient Aliens. After I caught an episode of Season 1, I went nuts, downloaded every episode and watched them one after another, marathon style. I even watched the awful second season, where they were talking about aliens teaching Samurais how to make swords (seriously?). But, after looking at the evidence they present, it's just not there.
If aliens built the pyramids, shouldn't they be super badass. I mean, I know they're a bit old but if there came from alpha-centauri or some shit then you would think they could just bust out some super pimp, shiny plated, last for ever tourist attractions.
http://youtu.be/RjX0Z7-J8BQhey David her interview starts at 38 minQuote:
Originally Posted by David Rosado
Dude, you are so kicked out of 10th Planet ;)
no i didn't, the dudes first mistake is taking mainstream science at face value, when mainstream science has no credibility on this subject. they call independent scientist that arent bought by gov & university funds " rogue scientist " because they don't follow the status quo lock in step. and they dissmiss the field and call it " sudo science " when everything they think there so called "experts" on was once also shunned and labled " sudo science " copernicus, gallaleo, devinchi ect were all laughed at and nearly killed for suggesting what is now known as fact. and the biggest mistake this dude made is titleing his doc as " Anchient aliens Debunked " as if he knows for a fact what happened when he doesn't know shit because no one knows what exactly happened. Anchient Aliens, Advanced Civilizations, or all of the above. one thing's for certain, with all of the anomolies on this planet anythings possible. & " debunkers " are simply annoying, and are playing themselves out more and more, & i'm running into more people that are waking up rather than staying asleep. And "Debunkers" are always saying proove that aliens were here & when you say ok "proove that they weren't" here they always have some lame response that makes little sense. ignoring basic logic and the law of averages that suggest the universe is full of life. which would make Alien visitation as normal as going to another country. and mainstream scientist can never say or admit that they just don't know. so at this point, " Debunkers " and " mainstream scientist " really arent worth the energy it takes to listen to them. & both " Debunkers " and " Mainstream Scientist " need a serious ego check !Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Van
Copernicus, Galileo, Da vinci, were innovators in what eventually became the scientific method.
The source of their funding is never what discredits a researcher, their methods and analysis are.
Admitting that "we don't know for sure" is one of the aspects which makes science so credible.
Possible and plausible are not the same thing.
Debunker are wasting their time because they're trying to use reason, logic and evidence to disprove beliefs that are not based on any of these things.
Asking someone to prove aliens weren't here, Is a clear demonstration that you don't understand the most fundamental aspects of the scientific method. Science does not attempt to prove negatives.
Maybe he thought she was a lunatic?Quote:
Originally Posted by derrick ikwueme
Seriously, the ability of loons to convince people that scientists are somehow covering up some huge story for profit is insane.
And gullible people will just eat that shit up.
These people making these claims are rarely scientists, that, or their field of science is no where near what would be required to deal with the questions they claim to answer.
Most of these people actually do have a lot to gain from misleading you, books and products to peddle or sell.
Why take them more seriously than peer reviewed scientific research?
Thats the thing, I don't think people really appreciate the peer review process. They don't realize that scientific research is conducted in countries all over the world with different, sometimes even conflicting, agendas. Peer review happens between all the countries of the world. Even in the US with our super unchecked form of capitalism peer review works. Some of the misconception is probably due to the way the media grabs any study with potentially sensational results and shoves it the public's face, sometimes creating ridiculous trends/beliefs. In the scientific community things like that might raise interest and lead to further research but scientist don't take things seriously until results have been verified many times over in well controlled experiments, and that takes many years.
I think you may be mixing some lines. Where talking about a History channel produced show not a science magazine. Or maybe that's what your talking about. It just makes me a little sad that the History is putting out stuff with what appears to have such easily disprovable evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaron Gustaveson
as i pointed out to a friend, There is only so much on Hitler/ww2 to air,History Channel had to come up w/ something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel Valdez
Actually if you go back and read the other post I made I think its pretty clear I'm not a proponent of the aliens help build pyramids belief. I was arguing in favor of the scientific community. If you re-read my post with that in mind I'm sure it will make more sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel Valdez
Half the conclusions made on Ancient Aliens are hilarious. I don't watch that show for the conclusions they make, I watch it to gather as much info as possible, see the crazy side, then make my own conclusions. I couldn't even watch the episode on bigfoot, that was a piece of garbage. The South Park parody episode on Ancient Aliens was brilliant. There are a couple of regulars on that show that I ignore when they make conclusions, but just because they have some facts wrong doesn't mean all their facts are wrong.
But if it wasn't for that show I wouldn't know about at least half of these crazy structures and where in the world they are located. I love learning about these ancient sites. Do I believe aliens built them? It's a possibility. Do I think aliens helped humans build them? It certainly is a possibility.
This dude that made the debunker video is doing the same thing dudes on Ancient Aliens are doing, repeating shit they read somewhere. Did debunker dude go to Egypt and find out that you can polish the great pyramid with sand super easily? No, he read it somewhere.
What I've learned over the last 20 years is that just because something is written down by a scientist it doesn't make it true at all. What about all the bogus studies done on weed in the 60's? Most people today still believe that weed causes brain and lung cancer because of all that propaganda. Shit, in the early 1900's the government convinced everyone that weed caused insanity. That was all scientific bullshit with a government agenda. Never forget or ignore that bogus "science".
What about all the scientific data on the collapse of Tower 7? ALL BULLSHIT. Again with a government agenda. The scientific group that put out the insane results, N.I.S.T., is financed by the government. Their "scientific" "data" concluded that Tower 7 fell at "freefall" speed because it got too hot. All scientific trash.
What about the FDA falsifying studies on antineoplastons?? When the FDA is fucking up cancer research studies on purpose and publishing them for everyone to take as gospel we know scientific data should always be questioned.
This debunker dude is right about certain fuck ups that Giorgio and a few others have made, but he's getting all his info from mainstream science. The same mainstream science that says Egyptians rolled giant stones that weigh thousands of pounds on logs. That is just scientific horse shit.
Shows like Ancient Aliens are attempting to debunk mainstream science, so when someone uses mainstream science to debunk shows like Ancient Aliens it's kind of funny.
Anytime I read studies on certain medications and the side effects, I always think that it might be all bullshit, I don't trust mainstream science, especially since they put out so much bullshit on cannabis. Can't trust it. Make your own conclusions :)
"I believe through the experiences that shamans have been documenting and reporting for tens of thousands of years that we are in contact with entities and beings that are not of this earth" -Graham Hancock
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Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo
All the studies for marijuana are usually labeled "could cause" or "may cause" or some such thing.
Nothing has been claimed to be conclusive that says it's harmful.
It's just dishonest politicians whom point to this inconclusive studies and claim it's proof pot is bad.
That being said, none of the actual scientific studies on marijuana say that it is bad for you, but a lot say that it is good for you, and help with a lot of diseases.
I mean you've smoked it, clearly so you can tell first hand if any bad side affects are present.
But when science claims marijuana is good and not bad, you shouldn't say science is causing issues.
It's just peoples misunderstanding of it that does
This is certainly possible. I find the ancient alien theory incredibly interesting and I'm equally fascinated by the more terrestrial explanations of the megalithic structures found throughout the world and the true nature of the societies that built them. If i had to pick a side, i would have to align myself with Graham Hancock, John Anthony West, etc who believe that these structures and civilizations are much older than mainstream science likes to think and that there are perhaps many "lost civilizations" in the annals of history. That being said ancient alien theory is really intriguing and interesting shit, and i love me some Giorgio Tsoukalos, but i can smell the crazy emanating from every pore on the Linda Moulton chicks body every time i see her on TV.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaron Gustaveson
The problem with cannabis studies and 911 is that we can really put finding through the peer review process because the ability to conduct independent research does not exist. Yes the reason is the fucked up government but this should be a point in case for the side of science. The government knows if they allowed the scientific community access then the result would not be what they want. Regan actually went through a lot of effort to fund studies on cannabis. All the scientist knew who was funding it, but guess what, they came out with result that pissed him off so much he had the research destroyed. Actually most of the studies the government has commissioned on cannabis have had results they weren't expecting/didn't want.
heres a list of 10.
http://current.com/1em8e4c
this isn't about weedQuote:
Originally Posted by Aaron Gustaveson
thank you! that dude is just repeating shit thats been put out by mainstrean science, he's not saying anything new. i've heard most of thease "theories" before. and "peer reviewed" journals don't mean shit on this subject when all your peers follow the status quo. Anchient Aliens has talked about copper tools on every episode thats nothing new. Mainstream science has always tried to "sell" the idea that they know exactly how everything was done and when something new comes up that they don't have a scripted answer for they shunn it or call it "sudo science" and the researchers " rogue scientist " no different than the critisism that 10th planet faces vs traditional bjj. the maker of this doc is funny because he forgot the most important thing in regards to this subject. " forget everything that you think you know or that you think mainstrean science knows " because it's been proven that mainstrean scientist love to sell wolf ticketsQuote:
Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo
that interview isn't about linda ! it's about the DNA that's unexplained and the obvious studdering, squerming, & lame attempt to avoid a searious question, that's the most important part of that interview because it gives a clear example of why mainstream science has lost any credibility on this subject. this dude was obviously trying to not piss someone offQuote:
Originally Posted by Logan Cook
that's funny because, when so called experts use the verbage " could cause" or " may cause " the only thing people remember is that weed " will " make you kill your girlfriend and jump out a window and that weed " will cause " cancer. & thats a way to use sneeky verbage to confuse people without becomming legally liable. good contract lawyers do this shit all the time to make people sign contracts that they really shouldn't sign. and lawmakers write bills like this on the regular. if you don't believe me, just talk to any anti weed person and ask why weed is bad for you ? uh because it "causes cancer" and makes you go skitzo. but that all just shows how stupid people really are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mitchell C
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Originally Posted by derrick ikwueme
And twisting of the words is no fault of any scientist working on it.
Like I said "It's just dishonest politicians".
So...we agree then?
Funny, Ancient Aliens marathon on today. Not sure if they've played any of the episodes in the debunk movie. Like Eddie said, I like how they bring a lot of ancient things to the publics attention