Dealing with chokes and head & arm control from lockdown

I've been pulling half and using lockdown at my school for the past few weeks and love it so far, but I've hit a few snags. One is that my partner is getting real tight head and arm control on me and squeezing, while working for chokes and shoulder locks. I'm unable to whip up when they're squeezing that hard.
The other snag is that one guy in particular seems to be able to choke me using some kind of fist on the neck type choke (not 100% sure what it is as I can't see it very well).
Any advice on what pathway to start using when these things happen would be greatly appreciated, thanks guys!

have you tried jaws of life ???

Yes, generally this is after I've used the jaws of life (if I needed to) and I have double under hooks. But as I'm typing that, I'm realizing there's no way they have head and arm if i have double under hooks. I guess the issue is if the top guy is just applying a lot of pressure and I'm unable to whip up to create the space I need.

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Originally Posted by DanZarrella

I've been pulling half and using lockdown at my school for the past few weeks and love it so far, but I've hit a few snags. One is that my partner is getting real tight head and arm control on me and squeezing, while working for chokes and shoulder locks. I'm unable to whip up when they're squeezing that hard.
The other snag is that one guy in particular seems to be able to choke me using some kind of fist on the neck type choke (not 100% sure what it is as I can't see it very well).
Any advice on what pathway to start using when these things happen would be greatly appreciated, thanks guys!

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With the tight head and arm control, Eddie shows the "Jaws Of Life" to create space and get the double underhooks. You can also use a standard crossface to create space and achieve the same results.

The choke you are referring to is most likely the "ezekiel" or "fist choke" (Video below). I have a Judo black belt who tries this on me everytime I hit lockdown half, not to mention he outweighs me by 80lbs. Hitting the whip up seems to disrupt his base enough for him to abort the choke quickly. If your whip up isn't strong, try stretching his leg out with the lock down and it should create breathing room for you.

http://youtu.be/U_15raqvffU

I have that problem too sometimes, I'd try what everyone else has suggested (I myself need to as well)

If they have head an arm I just sink an overhook->stomp>pyramid.

If you have double unders and can't whip up try the thumbs up whip up. There is a video on here somewhere I think.

I also wanted to mention the use of the "meathook" as well. You can transition to full guard from this position, or better yet if they release their arm in the transition trying to stuff your knee you can grab wrist control and go to the triangle. I'm sure there is an MTS episode on here that covers that.

The big advantage we as VA Ronin's have is that most of our training partners have no idea what we are doing. We can get our reps in successfully without allot of counter technique before we graduate to the next level.

Studying the 10P system makes me feel like a white belt again, and I LOVE IT! Applying techniques from the video's on guys I know I can beat but they pass my guard makes it fun and let's me know I need to get more reps in and focus on the details better. Guys that used to run through me, I now control and prevent the pass and/or get a submission let's me know the 10P system is exactly what I should be working on to take my game to the next level.

Where are you in VA? I'm always looking to roll and train with like minded people?

also you could use the fat whip from an alder video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cchJ5x8YTTA

That fat whip up video is perfect, thanks!
And yeah George I've got to work on my rubber guard more so I can use it as a option more effectively. I'm not in VA though, not sure why you thought that, I'm in Vegas.

Stomp series works great for this.

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Originally Posted by DanZarrella

That fat whip up video is perfect, thanks!
And yeah George I've got to work on my rubber guard more so I can use it as a option more effectively. I'm not in VA though, not sure why you thought that, I'm in Vegas.

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Damn, I gotta stop smoking so much crack.:rolleyes:

I'm 215 and when I roll with guys from 230 - 290 pounds I feel "stuck" when I'm flat on my back with the double underhooks when I have them in Lockdown. I can't get the Whip Up to save my life. They usually have head and arm control as well, which is why I feel stuck. I'm going to try the Fat Whip.

While in half guard instead of going straight to the back get to your side on your hip and try to hit a rolling sweep that's the best idea I could come up with just off the top of my head!

Yea about the rolling sweep look up the rolling sweep by david avellen from the half he shows an effective way to do so as soon as you get some space created he has been doing a special on the half for about the last two weeks if you subscribe to him he shows some really good technique in his email lists and so does his brother marcos and their buddy and student who trains under eddie here at 10th planet alan belcher they all have sites and regular email listings check them ou guys it worth the visit :)

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Originally Posted by Kevin Gibbs

If they have head an arm I just sink an overhook->stomp>pyramid.

If you have double unders and can't whip up try the thumbs up whip up. There is a video on here somewhere I think.

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Damn that logo look sweet! :)

......oh and, it's all about putting in mad time in the lockdown battle, watch mts 47. It's a war, nothing aint easy, it's just like a wrestling match except you're on your back. Whipping back and whipping down is huge and make whipping up easier :)