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I ask this because while watching UFC on fox 5 Browne had the vice on swick and could have easily dove for the necktie. Instead he battled with the darce. I know if he chooses the darce and loses it normally you're still on top while the necktie probably not. Has the necktie been done in high level mma?
The last 3 tournaments ive been to ive had to demonstrate to blackbelts before hand to make sure i could do it... But thats winnipeg.
I dont think traditional gi guys would know it or go for it often.
Even if you know it, You need serious reps to go for it all sweaty in an MMA match and I don't think any have put in the time it takes yet!!
It's not very popular in most bjj schools, out of all of UFC fighters I've asked about the jap neck tie, most had no idea what it was :)
Thank you.
I was screaming Japanese necktie,Japanese necktie!! I thought he was going to dive over that shoulder but nope.
Tyler and I have taught it to a few different black belts down here in SoFlo. I have been so very surprised at the lack of knowledge with the JNT. I found a video of it online the first couple of months I started Jiu Jitsu and fell in love with it.:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo
It's a shame that so many fighters are not aware of it
I never really knew what was the best defense for avoiding it until I visited you guys. No one at your hotbox was letting me sneak that one on them :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon Woolsey
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Originally Posted by Sean Marshall
what is the defense? im assuming its not letting them get the vice. once the vice is put on and they dive over, its game over.. atleast with triangles u can posture up and try to blast out or arm bars you can stack
This makes sense. I keep seeing guys go for darces in MMA but not a lot of guys looking for the JNT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo
Don't let them tie up your leg. Keep your arm high up onto their shoulder. Ben has gotten me in enough vice grips that I had to figure that out quick. Hahaha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy Gates
The downside of the JNT is opposed to the Darce is if you lose the leg you lose the submission. I have decent success using my free leg to get my stuck leg out and then trying to recover guard. Especially since you know the guy has a vice and you're ready to try and get your leg out if he dives, it often turns into a scramble in my experience.
So in a really sweaty MMA type scenario I would think a savy guy could escape his leg unless you had it locked up really well.
If you lose the JNT you lose the JNT but you can still get the anaconda with the proper adjustments. And if you feel like you're losing the leg, you can always kick over into mount and get into a monoplata set up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jared Gammel
I've hit 3 in competition so far this year. 2 of the 3 guys asked what the hell was that!?!
Still not well known imo.
If u loose the leg u can switch to the reverse arm triangle too.
I love it when the system spreads.
But it also wouldn't bother me if this stays our lil Japanese secret.
Brown probably isn't aware of the jap necktie, but honestly, in his position, I would have went for the darce as well. In a grappling match it's different, but in MMA a lot of people forget about how the vaseline affects your grip on a choke. I could be wrong though; maybe it's no more difficult than a darce.
Considering that he locked the Darce and pulled guard, I'd say he wasn't concerned with grip or loss of position. He would've been better off with the JNT or at least sprawling with the Darce instead of pulling guard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh Yelverton
You have to get to your back before your opponent secures the vice to defend the jnt. i use the Japanese necktie a lot in combinations with darces and north/south chokes with a pretty high success rate. My last mma fight I was threatening with the jnt and switched it to a darce once I was able to fully vice him to his side. If I can get the vice I'll usually dive for the jnt. If its not there u can quickly let go of the leg and hit the darce with some extreme aggression.
In Swicks last two fights he could have got caught with it, Demarcus Johnson had vice grips on him from top half too, all he had to do was dive over. But like Eddie says I guess it's not that we'll known, which is cool with me cause I love getting JNTs.