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I've got a good half guard, pretty good rubber and prison, but my full guard not so great. We were rolling mma sparring and he landed in my full guard. He avoided my rubber guard by pressing forward and giving me head shots. He was not really stacking, just keeping forward pressure. Any help here would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Hip out to create an angle to work from.
If both your butt cheeks are planted then you are not going to have the mobility you need to threaten with your guard.
My game: I like to either get double hard leg curls with my knees squeezed and my heels hard down their spine to pull my hips up and make my opponent carry that weight, or run one leg further over them while up on one hip to threaten the back or a sweep. Shifting and rocking between both hips with the hard leg curls is very destabilizing and makes my opponent more conscious of their base and less attention on preventing me from breaking them down to set up RG.
You have to master clinching with your upper body via over and underhooks. Otherwise you will get smashed.
Thanks, I was attempting to get to my side, but the constant pressure kept resetting me. I will work on my clinch, I know it needs work. I rarely use full guard so I don't cross my legs with any pressure, or move with a sound purpose, due to my lack of experience in this position. Usually I just try to get to half or prison, but could not make it work this time. The constant punches were disrupting my train of thought as well.
Not sure if I'm picturing the scenario correctly, but I think a foot on the hip would help....? Maybe sit up to the coccoon with your butterflies and work from there?
Is he on his knees or feet? In between punches where are his hands? Biceps, underhook and pulling the shoulders? Is his head next to yours or is he driving into your chin?
Trying to get the foot on the hip but the constant forward pressure and his body position won't allow my legs to come up. This is like the first time this has happened to me. I can get the grip for prison from time to time but the downward forward pressure keeps nullifying any chances of getting to my side. He is keeping me square on my back, and not really looking to advance his position. I was pretty tired even when we first started rolling, but I should still have been able to do something. I don't know, thought maybe this has happened to another 10th planet player.
I was pretty tired, not really sure, he seemed to be switching, and my hands would go up when the shots came in. I was trying to move up and away to get the foot on the hip, or get to my side, but I couldn't find a place to push off, and again the constant forward pressure kept resetting me, and then more shots to the head messed up my train of thought. Frustrating, but showed me that I need some work.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobby rivers
You Def need to clinch. Especially in the scenarios where punching is involved.
As Bobby stated, there is a lot going on in ground and pound. A lot more than most realize before getting involved with it. Think of it almost as its own system of offensive and defensive techniques with tiny details always going on. One thing that can help is to be constantly pushing and pulling his body with your legs when he is trying to punch(push him away with your legs explosively and pull him back into you explosively over and over again, back and forth). This will keep him off balance and occasionally cause him to have to post an arm or 2 out. If you are at least forcing him to constantly move back and forth, that is less time he is hitting you and planning his next G+P attack, and give you a chance to calm down and get your thoughts together.
Also you can control someone decently with just 1 overhook and pushing their head away from you. Can be done after slipping to the inside of a punch. Just be careful cuz if you replace your hand with an elbow while pushing their head away they might take an elbow to the face.
Thanks to everyone who posted, I will work on my clinch and try to use my legs more effectively. Never had to deal with this before, I usually avoid full guard, did'nt realize how bad my guard game was. I always go either go rubber, butterfly, half, prison, but never stayed long in full, this time I felt trapped there. Like Sean said there is alot going on in ground in pound. The only time I ever got GP'd was when I was mounted, getting GP'd in guard sucks. Thanks again for your help.
cant be flat. Hip out to one side and/or clinch up and keep your back curved like a roll bug no matter what. Works pretty well for me any way.
This is what I found out going to a ground and pound and stand up gym after doing jits for a bit, wrestlers are really good at punching you in the face in your guard while not being swept or allowing you to do submissions. I like to clinch it up intially (get my bearings and to keep them from establishing their base), hence master eddies techniques for overs/unders. Traditional clinch tires you out too much and doesn't provide much protection after your both sweaty. I like to work my traditional guard up high with a squeeze while pushing downwards towards their legs, to the point they want to try and make a pass attempt or posture up, then I hip out/shrimp or roll with whatever presents itself. Not much of an explanation. sometimes I feign an armbar or triangle, just to see if they move enough to get somewhere else. The guys that are really good at ground and pound work on that shit alot. I find myself almost exhausted when they get me in a bad position trying to escape. I don't have a specific technique for you, but my suggestion would be to work three times harder than usual. Once sweaty it is hard to control a writhing, jiggling, bridging, bumping person. It always seems to me that the guys whose faces become bloodied normally layed around on the bottom not working very hard, way too long. Hope you spar with headgear or have a "gentlemans" agreement when doing ground and pound work. We switch it up, guy on top guy on bottom, work the ground game. Like with everything else, sometimes you hear some very heavy thumping coming from a pair of guys who felt that one or the other broke the gentlemans agreement. We don't try to kill one another, but you can't train at 20% either.
I don't know how you train, and I'm no expert, but lay on the floor with a heavy bag between your legs in guard and practice squeezing the crap out of it, while grabbing around it and squeezing with your arms. Then throw some elbows on the end of the bag like it would be a head. Elbows to the head normally make guys hands come up and their heads go down (home alone position), which then allows you to work other angles.
Good luck, and if you find an awsome technique please post it here.
Phew! That was exhausting just reading that! lol. Just kidding. I know it's legit, but that would be a tiring game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Marshall
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Originally Posted by ern
You dont have to do it continuously unless they refuse to stop swinging on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kurzy
Extra details - You can limit a push or pull to right before they swing on you. When you pull, a lot of the time you use their momentum of driving into your guard so they do half the work for you. You also only need to do it long enough to clinch onto them or set something up. Unsuccessful aggressive g+p will tire out the top person quickly. This is also just one defensive technique to go along with other defensive stuffs. Not nearly as tiring as it seems
Props.