http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qjmJJ75f38
Watch the video, personally I feel you are a legit bjj black belt if you just train nogi your hole life. I see more people just training nogi as time goes on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qjmJJ75f38
Watch the video, personally I feel you are a legit bjj black belt if you just train nogi your hole life. I see more people just training nogi as time goes on.
skip to 2:45
Belt rankings in general are to demonstrate a degree of competence. Having a black belt in the gi by no means make you a black belt in no-gi and vice versa.
I train mostly gi and I'm 100% sure if a no-gi black belt threw on a gi and rolled with me, I'd be getting tapped, over and over again.
I think that you are a legit black belt if you earn a black belt in no-gi.
I'm impressed, this guy is very well spoken. I've heard his name before, but never heard him speak. Rener Gracie will give out a blue belt to somebody that has never put on a gi. You could get a black belt wearing a gi and never learn a gi-only technique.
A real black belt from a legit instructor is still a black belt, Gi or nogi. Different set of specific skills between the two yes, but more crossover than differences. People also fails to see the difference between the depth of black belt pool. Marcelo(black belt) or a dude that got his black belt from A black belt that got his black belt from a dude that got his black belt from a a high level dude. The no gi vs gi argument has lost cloat. Ask Marcelo that trains 50/50 gi/nogi. Sorry got off on a rant!
Agree, he's very well spoken and as such, had a very bipartisan view on the whole deal. Being a traditional martial artist, getting your black belt these days merely means you've spent the time learning the techniques to get you to that rank. For most traditional styles, it's taken on a sense of character development and disciplined attitude more than having the ability to be a badass. Now, for the differences between BJJ and 10P, that can take a few different points of view. You can argue that 10P isn't BJJ because we don't claim to be BJJ, but if you look at the lineage, you can't deny that our origins stem from BJJ. Look at all the styles that are closely related, but have those differences that make them unique. 10p is unique in that it ONLY does nogi; whereas BJJ can do both, but only recognizes rank in the gi. BJJ is 10P and 10P is BJJ, just depends on how you look at it...different mindset for how one trains means there will be different ways to perform techniques (grips for example and how techniques have to be executed differently due to the loss of a gi).
I train both because I enjoy both. I love nogi because it has less restrictions and it plays well to my game. I love the gi because I'm lazy and don't like to workout. =)
interviewer is an idiot.
I'm starting to feel like "black belt" isn't exactly universal. Sort of how not all college degrees are created equal. In general the same knowledge might be there, but the application of that knowledge may not be.
For example, Scott Yockel has tapped numerous black belts with heel hooks. Those guys ARE black belts. I suppose they're black belts of upper body jiu jitsu, but that's the quality of instruction that they got from their instructor.
A black belt is a black belt. But not all black belts are created equal. And a no gi black belt is for sure a no gi black belt. But a no gi guy might not be at that level in the gi. No gi and gi are very similar arts, but different at the same time. I think it's ok to accept these differences. I mean, if greco roman had submissions and belts, not every greco roman olympian would be a black belt in judo. That's how I see it.
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Originally Posted by David Rosado
to me it really doesn't matter if the bjj world wants to acknowledge the color of my belt or not. if it really mattered that much I wouldn't be teaching with a blue belt. the bottom line is, the mats don't lie. that's why, in my humble and completely subjective opinion, all the discussions about where someone's skills are based on the color of their belt are a little silly. there are plenty of purples and even blues out there that can hang and even catch some black belts. black belt isn't meant to be the end, its just the beginning of the real journey. danaher answered that question very well.
and for the ones trying purely just to discredit us and Eddie, if they try to belittle us and say that our grappling is inferior and that we aren't practising legitimate techniques, what is left to say about their own jj after we beat them in competition?
Interviewer is a turd.
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Originally Posted by sean applegate
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Originally Posted by Kyle Spalla
Yup, what you guys said. Totally agree.
Interviewer is a turd. Yup. Especially after making a dumb remark about not watching youtube. Hahahaha!
The way he tries to frame his question for a "would be" 10p hater...(dumb).
The way Danaher replies to such dumb ass questions...intelligent! Mindful.
I would love to show the interviewer how real our system is. Any day of the week :)
I give him about 10 seconds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Nunja
Clearly a brainwashed 10P hater
The interviewer comes off like someone who's just started training and thinks his martial art is superior to any other. I mean, seriously, the guy seemed surprised that fighters were cross-training disciplines...
Who told this guy he could be an MMA journalist?
I think in the future there will be less people that choose to just train in the gi and less that choose to just train in no-gi.
Unless you're talking MMA fighters. In the competitive grappling world, the majority of people are training both, and excelling in both. All the top guys, even at the colored belts, are training both. The powerhouse teams like Alliance, Atos, Checkmat, Gracie Barra, Nova Uniao, Team Lloyd irvin, the list goes on....everyone on the competitive scene is doing both now.
Gi season is typically the first half of the year, and no-gi season is typically the 2nd half or so of the year. On the competitive grappling circuit this is now pretty much par for the course.
As for whether or not someone can be a black belt without the gi on? Who am I to say? I prefer no-gi, and train mostly no-gi if I have it my way, but it seems strange to me that someone could be a "Brazilian Jiu Jitsu black belt" and have no idea how to apply or to defend cross-collar chokes, bow & arrow chokes, baseball chokes, brabo chokes, etc.
Gi dependent guards like spider guard don't bother me as much. But I just don't see how someone with no experience in being able to attack or defend with such a deep, deep arsenal of submissions can be a black belt in BJJ. I mean again, who am I to say, but it just seems funny that a BJJ black belt could not be able to show someone the ins and outs of the bow & arrow choke.
This is coming from a person that hates gi chokes. Even in the gi on someone's back I'll go to the RNC 9/10 times over a collar choke.
Even iconic no-gi only competitors like Jeff Glover and Dean Lister are incredibly proficient in the gi. And assassins in the gi like Cobrinha and Rafael Mendes have revolutionary games without the gi on. Marcelo Garcia, the best ever, is a 4 time ADCC champ and a 5 time Mundials champ.
You gotta be able to do both. BJJ isn't just one or the other IMO.
EDIT: to further clarify, I think the majority of the grappling community has moved past the gi vs no-gi debate. Most people in the BJJ world aren't having gi vs. no-gi discussions about what makes a real black belt. They just train both and keep it moving. The interviewer is a tool and does not reflect the opinions of the majority of the grappling community. Danaher did a good job of addressing this by saying to train aboth, as he does both himself. For those that don't know him, he's the innovator of the Darce choke, and one of Renzo Gracie's original students. He's a beast.
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Originally Posted by Daniel Valdez
Indeed Man. The interviewer was clearly biased against 10PJJ. It's cool though because his mind isn't one that will grow anywhere past what his closed mind will let him. I like how JD clearly isn't an idiot. Every time that interview douche tried to lead him down a road and he quickly stopped him in his tracks with his massive intelligence.
I personally believe If you earned your BB in NoGi and you want to get your BB in da Gi. Then that's your own personal Journey and your right as a Martial Artist. If you get both you've earned every single submission and every time you got submitted. I'll say it again and again, "some traditions were made to be modified, others broken." :)
Not the biggest fan of this interviewer.... He is probably high level, but when you are speaking to a BJJ LEGEND, you ask a question and then STFU (in my humbloe opinion)... I don't like the interview style of trying to lead the guest into agreeing with you.
ALSO... did anyone else get an awkward feeling when he said "We tell new students not to look at youtube".... don't you want you students to bring in new ideas?
I gotta ask, what is "Cocaine Biceps" ???
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