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guy on the bottom is sped up for sure. guy on top is actually that fast, you can tell by his partners movements that it is not sped up. Wing chun is crazy.
Those punches would be like bee stings, but I guess with the amount he's throwing it could kinda work?
I really didn't count them as punches. More like closed fist slaps. Where's the hips, shoulders, or even weight transfer? Unless you were a pimp with a hundred hoes, I really don't see the point in all of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay JC Chow
just imagine how many times that guy could punch you in the face though. It would hurt either way.
I'm sure one of those strikes to the throat or eyes could end a fight, or like you said definitely would come in handy for eddie and his girlfriends.
Those punches would work because they're aimed at the throat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay JC Chow
Bruce lee!!!!!
Ok, so the inevitable question... how would he fare in pro MMA?
That is like asking how would a knife fighter fare in MMA, that art was meant for the streets not the ring.
No way, a knife isn't allowed to be used in an MMA fight. There are no rules against those fast strikes.Quote:
Originally Posted by lost
But my chin is down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack LaBarge
I'm sure he is fully capable of throwing a closed fist at your face lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by AJ Camacho
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Originally Posted by Matt Glach
I just meant take away eye gouges, neck and groin strikes and their goes a large portion of the art. I guess you meant would a fast striker do well in MMA.
Are neck strikes illegal in MMA?
That shit will get you killed in the street.Quote:
Originally Posted by lost
A strike to the throat or neck with and without a glove is completely different, and I believe grabbing the throat with the intention or ripping it out is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt Glach
Grappling will get you killed in the streets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Blankenship
Yea unfortunately it's worthless when you're against more than one opponent. No one wants to be getting stomped in the face while finishing their triangle lol. That's why I like to train Muay Thai just as often as JJ. Plus striking is so satisfying for stress and anxiety relieve. Nothing like beating the shit out of a good heavy bag :)Quote:
Originally Posted by lost
agreed :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt Glach
If thats all he does with no sparring the first time hes in a real fight dudes in trouble, i trained wingchun for about 3 years and added some of the strikes into my boxing i feel its effective short strikes can be devastating.
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Originally Posted by Matt Glach
This is incorrect. Grappling, isnt "just" pulling guard and going for armlocks. Its also RESISTING takedowns, throwing people on their heads, and throwing them into their pals.
Grappling, allows you to decide if you want to be on the ground in a real fight, its much more an asset than a liability.
there both hitting people in the throat its a trick question.
Exactly theres so much to jiujitsu on the feet it was made for multiple attackers to mane kill or cripple an opponent and move on to the next.Quote:
Originally Posted by stlnl
theyre actually heel palms strikes and are more effective than punching because the area of impact is smaller and the heel of the palm is more dense than any punch that you could make with a fist. I would tell you to checkout youtube and search for kenpo karate as reference. I often ask my students which hurts worse, a punch or a slap, everyone of them will tell you that my slaps hurt way worse, because of the heel palm slap striking that I utilize. and I promise you that you will rarely hear of someone breaking their heel palm bone, whereas, boxer breaks happen frequently, just look at ultimate fighter this season there has been two fighters who have broken their hands punching.Quote:
Originally Posted by AJ Camacho
When you look up videos search for lord shandor on youtube, you find some crazy rock videos, but if they are still up, you will find one of the fastest kenpo guys known, blazing speed. good stuff. and AJ, try to be a little more open minded about the traditional arts, they have their good points too.
Well yea obviously it helps, but it's definitely not enough to win you a street fight against multiple attackers, unless you're really truly elite, but thats just my opinion, maybe my jits just isnt at the skill level yet of being able to feel confident in a street fight but i make sure im constantly improving!Quote:
Originally Posted by stlnl
I train in Shizen Ryu Aiki Jiujitsu and randori for us is dealing with multiple attackers no running overhand chops like aikido but guys doing practical attacks punches, kicks, and takedowns, the purpose is to finish one opponent as quickly as possible and move on to the next no time for thinking just action. Jiu jitsu was initially created for the battle field one must be able to adapt to any situation. Royce Gracie showed the superiority of ground fighting in the early ufc's but a cage is still a controlled environment in the street anything can happen might as well prepare for the worst.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt Glach
Lol yea thanks for the history lesson but I'm well versed in the history of the Gracie family and I've seen every UFC 1-120. And yes I know Helio created the art in order to beat anyone on the street, but I'm being realistic. There's really no right or wrong answer in this argument, it's just your opinion vs mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aikijiujitsu
I'm just saying theres alot more to jiu jitsu than ground fighting wasnt giving a history lesson was pointing out even though Gracie showed the effectiveness of ground fighting in a cage its still a controlled environment theres so many variables in a street fight being able to adapt can mean life or death. If you dont train for multiple attackers no matter how great you are in bjj you might just get fucked up in a real fight dont get me wrong it may save your life. I may not be able to tap any high level guys in a bjj competition but i know i can do some serious damage and survive in a street fight. Last couple years i been really putting the effort to learn ground fighting so my jiujitsu can be more complete cause you never know so might as well be prepared.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt Glach
NOTHING is enough to win against multiple attackers, not in a Guaranteed sense. As for truly elite, I dont know, a hip toss or two onto the concrete, and multiple attackers start to diminish. The single best asset you can have against multiple attackers is to not get engaged with one too long, and to stay standing. Grappling is what keeps us standing, not kickboxing/kenop/etc. Keeping the engagements short comes to your preferred method, whether its a hip toss/right cross/knee to the face. That sort of situation comes down to the individual, and it needs to be a lion vs Hyenas thing. If its lion vs Lions, well it will end bad for the solo person.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt Glach
well, even if you train for multiple attackers, you are still going to get fucked up, unless you are picking fights with quartets of 6th graders. Like I said above, this sort of situation depends much more on physical prowess as much as training IMO. You will definitely need to be able to absorb some shots and have enough mustard to keep the blows to "one per customer". I am assuming we are talking about folks who really mean to hurt you, and not some fratboy type drunken brawl. People can practice all they want, but it will come down to you had better be a strong, tough, hard hitting S.O.B. who doesnt trip over the first goof ball tackling you, and even then it is going to come down to luck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aikijiujitsu
Theres no luck to it but skill efficiency and execution no time for thinking just action you if you never been thru it then your just making assumptions i've put blood sweat and tears into this i've bled for this and im still here so i know it works for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by stlnl
i have been through it, fighting multiple attackers. Not making assumptions. Making real life, past experience, observations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aikijiujitsu
You got your perception and i have mines being relaxed having good technique and being able to practically apply that technique will overcome strength and power anyday its all about combat effectiveness, Miyamoto Musashi wrote what is used to defeat 1 can be used to defeat 100.Quote:
Originally Posted by stlnl
He was a master swordsman. With a sword, you are the things I said you have to have against multiple attackers.....tough as hell, prevent a close engagement, and keep the strikes to one per customer.........Quote:
Originally Posted by Aikijiujitsu
As for overcoming strength and power, believe what ever you like. But if you get mobbed by 6 guys all bigger and stronger than you are, good luck, if they really intend to hurt you.
I train in a traditional style of jiu jitsu space is the enemey being in the middle of the circle is a no no with multiple attackers we step in strike break balance look for a break or throw and move on to the next opponent. This is what we train for thats what randori helps you deal with not getting flustered or panicing being able to keep a clear mind and executing tecnique. Realistically am i going to fuck up 6 guys and walk through them like Tony Jaa in the protector with no weapon probably not but i feel i can survive and take pieces of them with me chins, shoulders, elbows, ect.... Jiujitsu was made for the battle field when a samurai lost his sword he needed to cripple, mane, or kill his opponent as fast as possible and get his hand on a weapon. I always have something on me cause you just never no better to be prepared for the worst and expect the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by stlnl
lol love itQuote:
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