Bruce Lee in MMA

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10-20-2010, 05:05 PM
NelsonLucca

Bruce Lee in MMA

OK, this question gets brought up a lot and as the resident JKD guy, Ill chime in. There are many factors to this question but it boils down to the ground game. You cannot take Bruce in his "Prime" and compare him to a fighter of today. Bruce against a fighter of equal weight, yesteryear, would be very dominant. His Judo, wrestling and sambo were very very good. Its like putting Royce Gracie against Jake Sheilds. Its just a different game now. To be fair, if Bruce was young today JKD would look completely different. Bruce would probably be a student of Eddie as well as teaching stand up or MMA. The fact still remains that he is the single most influential figure in martial arts history. With out Bruce most of us would not be here today.
10-20-2010, 06:23 PM
JeffRace727

I agree. Bruce Lee is the father of MMA. He was the first person to come up with the concept of mixing martial arts. Ground fighting wasn't popular at all when Bruce Lee was around. In fact it was nothing but a murmur. If he was around today he would definitely advocate the use of Jiu Jitsu, I think.
10-20-2010, 06:49 PM
Tyler Timmermans

There are guys out side mma the are awesome but don't fight in a cage and to compare them to mma fighters is kinda silly thats like saying who would win in a fight a shark or a lion it depends on where they are. for some info click here http://www.fightingmaster.com/masters/index.htm
10-20-2010, 06:59 PM
Taylor Culbertson

He would get killed by an average varsity high school wrestler.
10-20-2010, 07:04 PM
Tyler Timmermans

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Originally Posted by 3rdeye

He would get killed by an average varsity high school wrestler.

he would get killed Tylenol....................thats how you troll
10-20-2010, 07:12 PM
JeffRace727

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3rdeye

He would get killed by an average varsity high school wrestler.

cause high school wrestlers know how to fight? right.
10-21-2010, 05:53 PM
Taylor Culbertson

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Originally Posted by sly

he would get killed Tylenol....................thats how you troll

Not trolling. A decent wrestler would smash Bruce Lee, "in his prime". Bruce Lee had no ground game, with no ground game Kung fu is dead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL6t_Yf-RuI
10-21-2010, 05:59 PM
JeffRace727

How would a wrestler finish Bruce Lee, pin him?!
10-21-2010, 06:18 PM
Taylor Culbertson

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Originally Posted by JeffRace727

How would a wrestler finish Bruce Lee, pin him?!

Hold him down and rape him anyway he wanted. Bruce did not train off his back.
10-21-2010, 06:44 PM
derrick ikwueme

no, without Royce Gracie none of us would be hear. Grand Master Helio, was proving gracie jiujitsu in the 30's when bruce wasn't even born yet, lets not mix movies with actual practical real revolutions, with tangible results. in fact , movies have done a real number on the american martial arts psyche
10-21-2010, 09:16 PM
Peter Hirt

The "Royce Gracie of Kicking" hasn't come to the UFC yet; but that would have been Bruce. His sense of timing, distance, movement... were as impressive as his ability to channel power. And he could channel some freakin' power! How many people in the UFC today could side kick a board dangling from a string? I'm talking about a "speed break", not a "power break" through concrete... Now that's SNAP and power, ladies and gentlemen. A one inch punch from Bruce would break ribs even though 4oz gloves and even if he were stuck below a wrestler's mount. And that's IF the wrestler makes it past the kick for the takedown. In Bruce's eyes he'd be coming in for the shoot in Hollywood slow motion, -and you know Bruce's kicks would be spot on. I'm just sayin'...
10-22-2010, 05:06 AM
Aab

Bruce Lee would be destroyed. He wasn't a fighter. You want to fight you get someone to get you some fights. You don't spend all day on a movie set. Bruce had horrible vision. If he trained and learned Jiu Jitsu he would do alright. But hes gotta train just like we do. As far as his Judo and Wrestling. No it was not good. He hardly knew any until he got threw around by Gene Lebell a bit.
10-22-2010, 05:07 AM
Aab

Bas tells the truth in this clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWZBSBab-Es
10-22-2010, 05:09 AM
Aab

@ Peter Hirt Um.........Bruce Lee is great, we all love him but don't make him more than he his. He is the leading candidate for the greatest martial artist of all time however do these kicks look impressive.........no.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf12iowNH38
10-22-2010, 06:02 AM
Helge Båtstad

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Originally Posted by 3rdeye

He would get killed by an average varsity high school wrestler.

Bruce Lee trained alot of judo cround techniques, also I think he did Hapkido.
The dude did alot. thats what JKD is all about. MMA in other words, take the techniques from what ever martial art that works for you and roll with it. Bruce Lee vs Helio question : Helio did bjj. Bruce did mma
10-22-2010, 06:28 AM
Freddy Chavez

more like Helio was bjj and Bruce knew some things about the ground game.
10-22-2010, 06:36 AM
Jack LaBarge

Bruce Lee was the most influential martial artist ever! Bruce Lee's style was for the streets, not the ring. Bruce was a visionary, of self defense, his concepts to this day are still practical! BUT....if you want to talk about NUT HUGGING....with superpowers. Bruce in his prime could not compete with a CURRENT top 10 to 15 mma fighter in his weight; maybe after with 2 years of bjj and wrestling. The magic of movies can make anyone look better than they really are...the little girl in the movie Kick Ass looked like a super ninja but I'm sure she didn't know a lick of martial arts. If you argue....well i saw his demonstrations....again was it live rolling , was he competing. NO!!! As far as speed breaking and breaking boards....Boards don't hit back. STOP NUT HUGGING...live in reality
10-22-2010, 07:22 AM
Aikijiujitsu

In an account of a fight Bruce Lee had in the dojo his wife Linda said Bruce hit the guy dude went off running after chasing him Bruce took the guy to the ground and submitted him. Bruce trained with Gene Labell so im pretty sure he knew some aspect of the ground. When Chuck Norris had him in the armbar in Way of the Dragon Lee bit him in the ankle he choreographed all his fight scenes so from that you can see he knew what an armbar was.
10-22-2010, 07:24 AM
JeffRace727

you guys don't believe there are kung fu masters? for real. There is this guy who teaches Hop Gar kung fu, his school is about 22 miles from where I live. This guy is 80 something years old and he is from the philipines. he is the fastest, most accurate and deadliest fighter I know. My friend knows his name I don't know how to spell it but it's Nakua *I believe. And this dude did a demonstration on his students and destroyed them which is typical. But when my friend asked if he could throw at attack at him he told him to come on up and throw whatever the hell he wanted at him. So my friend went on up and threw a really good jab, and Nakua dodged it and grabbed his hand and cranked his wrist and he went down. He kept the lock on and told my friend where to hit exposed vital organs and all this shit. This guy didn't know what was coming at him yet he was still able to basically catch a punch out of the AIR. I know you guys will thinking I'm just talking a lot of shit and having a laugh, but I'll go to his gym and get video if necessary.
10-22-2010, 08:11 AM
Jack LaBarge

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Originally Posted by JeffRace727

you guys don't believe there are kung fu masters? for real. There is this guy who teaches Hop Gar kung fu, his school is about 22 miles from where I live. This guy is 80 something years old and he is from the philipines. he is the fastest, most accurate and deadliest fighter I know. My friend knows his name I don't know how to spell it but it's Nakua *I believe. And this dude did a demonstration on his students and destroyed them which is typical. But when my friend asked if he could throw at attack at him he told him to come on up and throw whatever the hell he wanted at him. So my friend went on up and threw a really good jab, and Nakua dodged it and grabbed his hand and cranked his wrist and he went down. He kept the lock on and told my friend where to hit exposed vital organs and all this shit. This guy didn't know what was coming at him yet he was still able to basically catch a punch out of the AIR. I know you guys will thinking I'm just talking a lot of shit and having a laugh, but I'll go to his gym and get video if necessary.

I found video of him!LOLhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I&feature=related
10-22-2010, 08:27 AM
Danny Stolfi

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Originally Posted by 3rdeye

He would get killed by an average varsity high school wrestler.

-3
:confused:
My brother beat the shit out of an average varsity high school wrestler in high school. My brother was not a martial artist, he was a linebacker.

Not tryna beef with you, but that statement was absurd.
10-22-2010, 11:04 AM
Xsimon

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Originally Posted by dstolf

-3
:confused:
My brother beat the shit out of an average varsity high school wrestler in high school. My brother was not a martial artist, he was a linebacker.

Not tryna beef with you, but that statement was absurd.

It also comes down to what state hes from :P... Take the state champ from Texas and the worst wrestler from PA/OH and PA/OH will win.. but I'm gonna have to agree with him.. Even though I doubt his statement was supposed to be taken literally, more like regional qualifier. I'm not a bruce lee hater he did a lot of great things for martial arts but i'm not really a huge fan.
10-22-2010, 12:49 PM
JeffRace727

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Originally Posted by Jack LaBarge

I found video of him!LOLhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I&feature=related

Not quite.
10-22-2010, 12:55 PM
JeffRace727

Kiai master also believes he can knock people out without touching them. The guy I know will fucking kill people. Also that MMA fighter Karate chopped him, I don't know any mma fighters that would do that.
10-22-2010, 01:01 PM
JeffRace727

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0CIy9ZZEQE

This might be a little more accurate.
10-22-2010, 04:17 PM
Jack LaBarge

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeffRace727

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0CIy9ZZEQE

This might be a little more accurate.

The kung fu guy in that video looks more like a tkd fighter than a gung fu fighter. The problem I have with the guy you know, who could kill people.You used the word "fighter" who's he fought???Your friend attacked him with a jab...is your friend a "fighter" did your friend telegraph the jab...did he leave it hanging out there. I'm sure the guy is a bad ass but were talking about MMA, not kickboxing or one step sparring its all about PROVE.....(competition)...everything else is opinion. I use to hear this shit, all the time. When Royce was tearing up the UFC 1 to 3 my Shihan at a karate, judo academy claimed he could beat Royce...Japanese Jujutsu all you needed...BJJ is fraud, I guess competition proved him wrong. You got to admit that video I found was pretty funny. I mean no disrespect but its about PROVE not OPINION.
10-22-2010, 04:19 PM
NelsonLucca

LOL Love the responses guys. In my original quote I mentioned that Bruce would be a student of Eddie, so off the bat I said Bruce would have to work on his ground game. I was merely addressing this question because it comes up a lot. None the less, our gym places top 3 every tournament we enter... and we're JKD guys. Of course I've injected 10th Planet into our school but regardless, not all of our guys are using it and they're still placing, so Bruce was on to something. John R. where are you at brotha???
10-22-2010, 04:51 PM
JeffRace727

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Originally Posted by Jack LaBarge

The kung fu guy in that video looks more like a tkd fighter than a gung fu fighter. The problem I have with the guy you know, who could kill people.You used the word "fighter" who's he fought???Your friend attacked him with a jab...is your friend a "fighter" did your friend telegraph the jab...did he leave it hanging out there. I'm sure the guy is a bad ass but were talking about MMA, not kickboxing or one step sparring its all about PROVE.....(competition)...everything else is opinion. I use to hear this shit, all the time. When Royce was tearing up the UFC 1 to 3 my Shihan at a karate, judo academy claimed he could beat Royce...Japanese Jujutsu all you needed...BJJ is fraud, I guess competition proved him wrong. You got to admit that video I found was pretty funny. I mean no disrespect but its about PROVE not OPINION.

I understand bro, and yeah my friend is a fighter, he has been training in martial arts for 10 years now. I honestly don't know who the kung fu master I know has fought, I don't even know his background. But man he is really really good. I thought he would be just another normal guy, but he isn't. I've seen the video you've posted before. It is funny, and I always get a laugh when people try to knock people out without touching them haha. But yeah, I'll try to get a video for you to show you this guy. I swear on Jiu Jitsu and Green tea, two things I love that I'm not shitting you. This guy made me believe there are real kung fu MASTERS out there, so if this 80 year old guy from the philipines is one, then Bruce Lee who is a legend has to be as well.
10-22-2010, 05:03 PM
Jack LaBarge

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Originally Posted by JeffRace727

I understand bro, and yeah my friend is a fighter, he has been training in martial arts for 10 years now. I honestly don't know who the kung fu master I know has fought, I don't even know his background. But man he is really really good. I thought he would be just another normal guy, but he isn't. I've seen the video you've posted before. It is funny, and I always get a laugh when people try to knock people out without touching them haha. But yeah, I'll try to get a video for you to show you this guy. I swear on Jiu Jitsu and Green tea, two things I love that I'm not shitting you. This guy made me believe there are real kung fu MASTERS out there, so if this 80 year old guy from the philipines is one, then Bruce Lee who is a legend has to be as well.

I do believe you, that he is amazing and I know there are masters in all martial arts...who can kick ass! But...can they be successful in MMA....most if not all, would not be!!!!!!
10-22-2010, 05:57 PM
Tyler Timmermans

you mma punks don't know shit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aw6Ja1DwFnM&feature=related
10-22-2010, 06:00 PM
JeffRace727

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Originally Posted by Jack LaBarge

I do believe you, that he is amazing and I know there are masters in all martial arts...who can kick ass! But...can they be successful in MMA....most if not all, would not be!!!!!!

I agree, there are a lot of things in Traditional MA that wouldn't be aloud in MMA. But every martial artist has potential in MMA. Like I've said to people before. You find someone with the skills like the guy in the video I've shown you in stand up fighting and teach him say Jiu Jitsu, that guy would dominate.
10-22-2010, 06:10 PM
Jack LaBarge

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Originally Posted by JeffRace727

I agree, there are a lot of things in Traditional MA that wouldn't be aloud in MMA. But every martial artist has potential in MMA. Like I've said to people before. You find someone with the skills like the guy in the video I've shown you in stand up fighting and teach him say Jiu Jitsu, that guy would dominate.

When that person becomes efficient in Jiu jitsu, he's now a Mixed Martial Artist, with a specialty in kung fu.
10-22-2010, 06:13 PM
Xsimon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W1ym3yggR4&feature=related

here we go. Top masters showing how its done. :P
10-22-2010, 06:27 PM
Tyler Timmermans

Watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KArX8iNnY4Q
10-22-2010, 06:34 PM
Jack LaBarge

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Originally Posted by pourya samari

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w1ym3yggr4&feature=related

here we go. Top masters showing how its done. :p

nice!