Gi players taking 5 minutes to tie their belt, before they continue matches.

This is absurd! Can someone explain why in the highest levels of competition practitioners are allowed to do this? It's just not fair to the opponent, as s/he may be on a run with a ton of momentum, then someone's belt comes off and there's 2 minutes here, 2 minutes there of belt tying and tidying. Notice, the person is always catching their breath as well, thinking about how to counter what they are going be put back into when the time starts up again.

If the belt comes off, I say keep fighting, make it a true ground fighting experience.

Sorry, just ranting. I've seen what was considered the best match in Jiu jitsu history, and was like, "the outcome may have been different, if they weren't allowed to take timeouts in their round."

As they say in golf, "play it as it lies."

Thoughts anyone? Gi players on the board. I'm not bashing the gi, as I do love playing the gi, I'm bashing a loophole.

I have to agree with you on this one... the best answer that I can give from the COMPETITOR perspective:

5-10 matches in one day can be BRUTAL... in the gi at Black Belt you are looking at 10 minutes. They just savor any little break that they can get... that's my opinion.

In terms of allowing it... I think for the same reason above, they just understand the physical toll that grappling takes on the human body... and figure that they'll let them take a little longer to tie the belt. However, I do know that a lot of competitions are starting to deduct points for this.

The boring as fuck standup grip fighting is the reason I will never watch gi jj.
There are more reasons but they revolve around the gi just not being my cup of tea which is just my personal preference. But the grip fighting, does anyone for one second actually enjoy that aspect?

They do it cause they can get away with it. Their cardio should be good to go the entire time nonstop

Rick Dawson, thanks for the reply. I understand they get tired. I wont argue with that. At that point you'd expect 2 5 minute rounds and no time to tie gis. I'm more concerned w the momentum shifts and the strategizing that happens in that amount of time. It's enough time to change the outcome of a match. That's awesome they are taking points away now, but even if I had 20 seconds of free time, ill quickly assess what I'm in, and plan my escape or counter, all while taking a small breather.

Chris Garry, lol. True there is that grip fighting. It's boring I concur. But it's the first line of attack or defense. It leads to take downs and arm drags, etc. I say screw that, jump to guard and go to work. Funny thing is when thu both jump to guard at the same time. Interesting sight to see.

Grip fightings way more boring If I had to watch 5 mins of grip fighting or 5 mins or belt tidying I'd choose 5 mins of plucking my facial hair one hair at time, defo.

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Grip fightings way more boring If I had to watch 5 mins of grip fighting or 5 mins or belt tidying I'd choose 5 mins of plucking my facial hair one hair at time, defo.

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One of the funniest posts I've ever seen!!

A comical potential problem with "play it where it lies" is competitors might allow their gi tops and belt to fall off on purpose, tie their belts poorly on purpose or something. I can see a match starting and both competitors promptly disrobing, maybe some shit talking while taking their shirts off. Then they'd have to instill "no intentionally undressing yourself" rules. I'd watch it.

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A comical potential problem with "play it where it lies" is competitors might allow their gi tops and belt to fall off on purpose, tie their belts poorly on purpose or something. I can see a match starting and both competitors promptly disrobing, maybe some shit talking while taking their shirts off. Then they'd have to instill "no intentionally undressing yourself" rules. I'd watch it.

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I can almost guarantee someone has forced ther belt off in hopes to buy more time to regroup.

often thought this very thing myself. why don't they just make them tape the knot, like taping MMA gloves shut.

They're now taking away points for people that take too long to tie the belt, or tie their belt in a way as it may fall off.

As far as grip fighting, shit with today's "modern" jiu jitsu, I can't remember the last time I've really seen a match under medium-heavy where one or both people didn't immediately pull guard right away. There's very little standup action anymore.

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often thought this very thing myself. why don't they just make them tape the knot, like taping MMA gloves shut.

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At Metamoris they tied everyone's belt knot so they wouldn't come undone.

I feel as a man if you allow another man to remove your belt while you are resisting have already failed...maybe all the guys are taking their belts off intentionally because subconsciously they are wrestling with their own sexuality? Maybe I have smoked to much weed and happened to read a chapter on Sigmund Freud in my Psychology book prompting me to give this response? Maybe!

I know I really suck at tying my belt but it really takes me a minute to do for some reason lol especially when there's a sudden stop in an intense match and my forearms are gassed. since there's no urgency to hurry up and tie my belt, I definitely take my time with that lol but I agree that it's ridiculous. maybe refs should tie belts when they come off?

A majority of the time its during resets, so it makes some sense if you're doing gi. There are plenty of times when people abuse it, but not anywhere near close to 5 min a majority of the time.

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I can almost guarantee someone has forced ther belt off in hopes to buy more time to regroup.

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I've had guys untie their belts on me, after I've used the grip to break the guard and stand up a couple times. Most memorable was the dude started to untie it from guard and I grabbed both ends and cinched it back up tight. Ref watched the whole thing lol

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often thought this very thing myself. why don't they just make them tape the knot, like taping MMA gloves shut.

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They make fasteners that go over the knot that keep it tight.

The worst,, I think, is how they make you wear two belts in competition. The green and yellow belt and your belt. Just one or the other, no need to double up

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They make fasteners that go over the knot that keep it tight.

The worst,, I think, is how they make you wear two belts in competition. The green and yellow belt and your belt. Just one or the other, no need to double up

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OMG yeah I hate this. I always seem to be the guy who has to wear it too. I just toss my belt aside and just wear the green and yellow belt but still, it's usually a one size fits all belt and the thing drapes down to your knees.

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They make fasteners that go over the knot that keep it tight.

The worst,, I think, is how they make you wear two belts in competition. The green and yellow belt and your belt. Just one or the other, no need to double up

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I think IBJJF is starting to go the judo route and make one person where a blue gi and the other white to keep people from wearing that 2nd belt.

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They make fasteners that go over the knot that keep it tight.

The worst,, I think, is how they make you wear two belts in competition. The green and yellow belt and your belt. Just one or the other, no need to double up

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Just thought of this, are you allowed to use that 2nd belt to hold onto single legs? It would be an advantage for the other person without if you could, more material to grab for.

As long as the belt's tied its game IME. I've started wearing odd colored gis to compete in GQ and NAGA, because then you don't have to wear the comp belt. I mean, the "traditionalists" get all upset for whatever reason that your gi is green/gray/purple/whatever and supposedly it puts a bullseye on you. (but your opponent is already there to submit you, so not much of a bullseye)

lmao, thats why I made this!! bwahahaha Cobrinha was waiting for the guy to tie his belt!! lmfao!!
I would say 95% of the time, the guy takes extra long is cause he wants to rethink his game, or get some energy back. This should be heavily penalized

and yeah... whats with two belts??? total disadvantage for one guy, it just adds to grips! lol

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I'm here all week haha

Thanks for all the responses guys. lots of hilariousness, butt in all seriousness, it's for real. Funny ass pic Ryan!
Hey guys here's a solution to this madness. Someone needs to come up with a gi that can't be opened, and the belt can't be undone. It shares all the physical characteristics of the gi and belts(lapels etc) but it's one solid piece.
There will be no untying belts or opening jackets... It'll be impossible.

Or, option 2:
In chess, each person is given an even amount of time to make all their moves or checkmate their opponent.
Lets say at most, in jits, you're given 1 minute to tie belts, for the entire match. Should you choose to tie your belt, the clock is ticking. If you go over you lose.

Rick nailed it. And the girls have to do gi and their hair.

I'm with the untieable belt. If the jacket comes out fuckit and keep rollin. One of my favorite parts of gi is loopin the jacket around limbs for traps.

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I think IBJJF is starting to go the judo route and make one person where a blue gi and the other white to keep people from wearing that 2nd belt.

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Second belt: Dumbest shit ever IMO, even in Judo tournaments we used a red cord which they double knotted so it wouldn't come undone, this was if someone was not already wearing a blue Gi. But at State and national level Judo it's required to have both colors.

a blue and a white gi should be mandatory in my opinion, wearing two belts is ridiculous.

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At Metamoris they tied everyone's belt knot so they wouldn't come undone.

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are you fucking with us?

Come to think of it, they did adjust there Gi's but I never saw them have tie a belt.

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Rick Dawson, thanks for the reply. I understand they get tired. I wont argue with that. At that point you'd expect 2 5 minute rounds and no time to tie gis. I'm more concerned w the momentum shifts and the strategizing that happens in that amount of time. It's enough time to change the outcome of a match. That's awesome they are taking points away now, but even if I had 20 seconds of free time, ill quickly assess what I'm in, and plan my escape or counter, all while taking a small breather.

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I can fully see where you are coming from on that angle Rick, personally... I like to think that I take the "Gentleman's Approach" to such things, however I can definitely see someone using it as a plan to think of a way out of a bad spot... especially at the higher levels.

Oh the image of Renato's expression when you tell him that you, a non Brazilian, has IMPROVED the very thing they worship.

We need to get that shit on camera for a future MTS. Caralho!