RNC and Body triangle escape

AS of late, I've been seeing a lot of submission from the RNC and body triangle. So I've been trying to research different ways to get out of them. Does anyone have a good one they want to share? What I come up with is ok, but not sure if its legal for kids to do in tournament. So anyways here is what we been working on in the garage. While in the RNC, of course protect your neck. To get out, roll to the side of the locking leg. Step on their bottom leg with both of your legs and bridge up really hard. THis will ankle lock them, thus getting a tap. Not sure if this is legal for kids to do in tournament as this is an ankle lock. Anybody has one they want to share? It will also be nice if it comes with video... thanks Bruce

OH an another one is putting the elbow on the shin of the leg right in front of you... that hurts like hell. But not sure if its legal either. I'm looking for something legal people...:)

There is a very refined version of that our instructor shows, it's all about the angle, much more like a shrimp motion than a bridge. Sadly, Im bad with the names.. but we train that escape fairly often here.

Is it something like this? I just found this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2gFLQpd3oc

Kind of a reverse shrimp while pushing on the knee. And for the love of god Bruce don't do it hard or fast. It comes on quick and can destroy their ankle. A gradual increase in pressure will help them realize they don't want to have it anymore and they will attempt to release it. This is legal. Time this with a hip escape.

Best defense for a rnc is 2 on 1 and never let them under you chin.

Yeah that's it Bruce.

Bobby: yes believe me.. we stressed that enough..nice and slow because Cora always kills me with it. Hurts like hell. THat is why I wasn't sure if its legal in tournaments or not for kids.

Umm. Kinda. That is still a bridge, that's the common one .(I referred to as unrefined earlier). That's how I did it before I was shown the better one. With just the bridge, if he is tall enough to get that latch above his ankle then the bridge wont get a tap or get you out... The better one kinda unlatches it for you..Its more like a shrimp.. I dunno how else to describe it, I wish I could remember the damn name... Anyone?

P.s. Remember the over-under control dictates the correct side to lay for the RNC/arm-triangle....

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Originally Posted by bobby rivers

Kind of a reverse shrimp while pushing on the knee. And for the love of god Bruce don't do it hard or fast. It comes on quick and can destroy their ankle. A gradual increase in pressure will help them realize they don't want to have it anymore and they will attempt to release it. This is legal. Time this with a hip escape.

Best defense for a rnc is 2 on 1 and never let them under you chin.

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^^. Yup

Scott: I have not idea what you are talking about brother. I am trying really hard to visualize it but just can't. Got any vid??

On Marcelos website he shows how to use the granby roll as an escape for when your opponent has your back and has a body triangle.

It works surprisingly well.

Um, no I have never seen a vid, our school trains this alot. I'm small weight classes you usually can't get the ankle lock (or make it threatening enough for him to unlatch it on his own). That's where this one works best. I'm assuming bobby and I are talking about the same move?

Bradley: dude I saw that one also during my search and its hilarious..LOL

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Originally Posted by Ryan Brick

On Marcelos website he shows how to use the granby roll as an escape for when your opponent has your back and has a body triangle.

It works surprisingly well.

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Need to see that vid.

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Originally Posted by Brandon Mccaghren

Need to see that vid.

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^^ya me too! I always do the foot lock (doesn't always work and our guys now switch the triangle fast so it is always on top)or purposely get one arm trapped and try and slide down and turn and give him the triangle and just try and defend the triangle. Better be good at defending the RNC with one arm if your gonna be that dumb though!!

I get my hook behind their knee and completely extend my quad, when I body triangle. I don't care if he flips me then.

How tha hell does MG granby??

I like the triangle break in that Osiander vid. But seeing as how we're no gi, I think it's important to remember that we're defending against the seatbelt grip.....meaning we should defend the choke first before worrying about the legs. I've always preferred bridging up high and grabbing a baseball bat grip on the choking arm, then getting my head on the opposite side of that arm to avoid the choke.

Once you break the triangle and stuff the bottom hook, Bill Cooper shows a Darce available to you if you reach up around the head and roll up quick enough.

We've been drilling an escape from the triangle with the handfight: two on one, then pull their arm over the head like baseball bat control (Like twister baseball bat), then you kick out and under their triangle foot, use your leg to bring their foot up to your outside hand, then basically try to shove their foot in their own mouth.
It opens them up and allows you to take side control if you control the foot by gripping the toes and keep it tight the whole way through.
I will try to remember to bring my camera to class wed and see if Stew will let me film him doing it. It works really nicely, I have been using it live rolling any time I get caught now.

That's sounds awesome Kurzy. I hope Stew lets you record.

I'll beg him. It's works amazingly as long as you get control of both the hand and the foot. If you don't have both, you find yourself fighting back and forth getting one and losing the other.

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I get my hook behind their knee and completely extend my quad, when I body triangle. I don't care if he flips me then.

How tha hell does MG granby??

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Good question!!

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Originally Posted by Ryan Brick

On Marcelos website he shows how to use the granby roll as an escape for when your opponent has your back and has a body triangle.

It works surprisingly well.

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I cant visualize this? is this the same as granby roll from wrestling?

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Originally Posted by Kurzy

We've been drilling an escape from the triangle with the handfight: two on one, then pull their arm over the head like baseball bat control (Like twister baseball bat), then you kick out and under their triangle foot, use your leg to bring their foot up to your outside hand, then basically try to shove their foot in their own mouth.
It opens them up and allows you to take side control if you control the foot by gripping the toes and keep it tight the whole way through.
I will try to remember to bring my camera to class wed and see if Stew will let me film him doing it. It works really nicely, I have been using it live rolling any time I get caught now.

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come on stew, we need to see this.

My comp is broken so I cant view his videos to post it but he traps the under hook with his elbow and grabs the overhook and peels the arm off of the shoulder to get rid of the seat belt and then bridges hard to the underhook side to get his same shoulder to the mat by the dudes face then granby. It gets you either right out or into guard on the top if the guy holds it tight.

He has a couple different escapes that start the same way

I talked to my coach Stew and he is game. I will film and post this week.

Classic, bro, I laughed my ass off when I saw that vid! Hilarious! !

i tried Granby from body triangle no seatbelt. Weird and painfull but once on your back shoulder and he is face down he can't choke you anymore and you can use your hand to undo his feet. Doesn't work at all with good seat belt. Still would like vids.

http://<a href="http://www.youtube.c...VhJRHQDsyE</a>QDsyE

I ll get it filmed with Jay tonight and put up my main rear mount escape ... works great with or without body triangle

Thank you so much Stewart. See this is why I love this place so much. Full of friends who are willing to share.

Tonight.

Ok buddy, and please don't forget to use the zoom feature on the camera...:) Thank you

Stewart Landry, head coach at 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu Peterborough, demonstrates an escape from the body triangle and rear naked choke defense.
Assisted by 10P blue belt, Butters (Trevor).
Apologies for the audio, we filmed this quickly in a corner of the same room that the Muay Thai people were exercising in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGWfwJ2NIZs

This works like a charm. We drilled this one night only, and I have had success with it since against resisting opponents.

This is good money! Thanks Stew! Thanks Kurzy!

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Was a quick film, if ya got questions fire away :)

Thank you Stewart and Kurzy, I really like that escape. Here is why she needs to really get good at this escape.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO3QgTMXtg8

Staying heavy on the leg is key to this too. When Stew taught us this, he did it on me, and when he was heavy on my leg while he had the grips on my wrist and toes, I was not going ANYWHERE.

Another important key is getting used to droping your hips below their foot. Stew does it fast in this vid, but you have to get your hip dropped low so you can get the leg under theirs.

Once you grip up on the toes and wrist, it's basically over. If your grips are good, there is very little the person can do to resist, even if they are stronger. Stew is really big on controlling at the weakest link, for a reason.

Get Cora to rep this out 10 times each side and it will likely become her most natural escape. It's easy and effective.

Thank buddy. Yes that is correct. I watched Cora's match and the boy was just too mobile from behind her. She defend it for as long as she could, but she wasn't far from getting out because he was so loose and mobile. We will drill this like crazy for the next couple of days. Hopefully she can pick it up before her tournament. THanks again.