Looks like barn cats been doing muddy waters for a while now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdB6g6FeGZ4 I love your path to the crocodile brian, i have some success with it, but now im going to put the numbers in, i think we have similar builds( I take it your 5'10,5'11 in the 130-140 range)

He's so nasty! The evolution and development of his rubber guard is ahead of the curve, for sure. Less known fact is...So is his leg-lock game.

oh i seen the leg locks to, defense and offense

Barncat is all bad news. I roomed with him in Vegas and he almost got us arrested.

I have been messing with a version of muddy waters and crocs for a while now. Actually my most common submission in competition. Here is just one vid but believe me, I have plenty more :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLkNPwog7C0

P.S. I am a Barn Cat fan. The dude is an assassin.

nice!

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Originally Posted by nathan orchard

I have been messing with a version of muddy waters and crocs for a while now. Actually my most common submission in competition. Here is just one vid but believe me, I have plenty more :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLkNPwog7C0

P.S. I am a Barn Cat fan. The dude is an assassin.

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I like your version better. Youve hit it so many times I just call it the Orchard. Its legit as hell

So thats the croc, is there the name for the armbar on the other arm? What about the armbar that shinya shows on MTS?

Nice Nathan!!

HPV virus

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HPV virus

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Human papillomavirus..virus. I need to get my pro account back so I can edit lol

HPV? I know its scary cause like a 1/3 of sexualy active people have it and it can't be stopped by condoms but is this a name of one of the moves?

I'm assuming that's the name of that armbar on the near side from invisible collar?? The one Barncat hits when they angle away from his invisible croc? Or you talking about Nathan orchards croc variation?

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Barncat is all bad news. I roomed with him in Vegas and he almost got us arrested.

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^^^ +1 ....or +2 even! I literally did a spit take with my dinner! haha!!

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I'm assuming that's the name of that armbar on the near side from invisible collar?? The one Barncat hits when they angle away from his invisible croc? Or you talking about Nathan orchards croc variation?

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I have always struggled with the names of all the various crocs. And one thing I do differently is I get a triangle lock with both arms in. I don't think there is even a name for that position. I think it should be the cracked out croc :)

Baby alligator natehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuhpTcCyPjM

Awesome Orchard! I thought Barncat was the only one that triangles his legs with both arms-in in invisible collar. Also the new variation of the regular croc from mission control has a triangle on the opposite side just like that with both arms in to assist the zombie/hand2mat once in zombieless muddy waters. I do believe Orchard is right, it's not named yet. Maybe so, those guys at HQ are usually on top of the names...

Could call it "muck" since its a little nastier version of muddy waters..

http://youtube.com/watch?v=oUwv1Fi6B-Y

Barncat hits a nearside armbar from invisible collar. The guy felt the invisible croc armbar coming, angles away from it, so Barncat takes the near arm instead.... So nasty!

there are a whole bunch of variations of this move. the most powerful I have played with is actually from invisible crack head. ill work on making a vid and post it.

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Barncat is all bad news. I roomed with him in Vegas and he almost got us arrested.

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Lies!!! It was all Louis’s fault!!! There would have been no problems if he wouldn’t have brought his triceps into the casino. Everyone knows there are no dangerous weapons allowed in there!!! ;)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdB6g6FeGZ4 I love your path to the crocodile brian, i have some success with it, but now im going to put the numbers in, i think we have similar builds( I take it your 5'10,5'11 in the 130-140 range)

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Thank you and yes that’s about my size :) Let there be no doubt though, that I got tons out of the “muddy waters” details when I saw them at the Midwest training camp though. In fact I’ve using it AND working with a new path to it that I can’t wait to show Eddie in person :) Hopefully it works out, its certainly working well so far.

Nice man i cant wait to see it, im definately gonna start work on it, i almost got one in comp, but it hurt my nuts haha

The Angry Orchard

Man, I wish I could triangle my legs with both arms in, that's a huge position, but unfortunately I'm Mexican, most of us can't do that white boy shit Orch & Cat do. There are quite a few croc variations, muddy waters is just another one.

Muddy waters is the position when your opponent's shoulder is locked with a double bag and his opposite arm is trapped on the mat. He's in muddy waters at that point. He's a lonely zebra on the plains of Africa taking sips in a giant puddle of muddy waters with a croc inches from him chillin beneath the surface :)

dude perfect analogy

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The Angry Orchard

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Yes!

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Man, I wish I could triangle my legs with both arms in, that's a huge position, but unfortunately I'm Mexican, most of us can't do that white boy shit Orch & Cat do. There are quite a few croc variations, muddy waters is just another one.

Muddy waters is the position when your opponent's shoulder is locked with a double bag and his opposite arm is trapped on the mat. He's in muddy waters at that point. He's a lonely zebra on the plains of Africa taking sips in a giant puddle of muddy waters with a croc inches from him chillin beneath the surface :)

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Haha I was kinda wondering how the name Muddy Waters came about

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HPV? I know its scary cause like a 1/3 of sexualy active people have it and it can't be stopped by condoms but is this a name of one of the moves?

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Lol I was just playing. Theres no move called HPV..yet

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I have always struggled with the names of all the various crocs. And one thing I do differently is I get a triangle lock with both arms in. I don't think there is even a name for that position. I think it should be the cracked out croc :)

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Never thought of hitting it from invisible crackhead. Thats probably the ultimate set up because of how strong Invisible crackhead is.

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Lol I was just playing. Theres no move called HPV..yet

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It's not a bad name like I said, kind of scary.

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Never thought of hitting it from invisible crackhead. Thats probably the ultimate set up because of how strong Invisible crackhead is.

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Starting the whole path from in invisible crackhead is huge especially since zombies from mission control fail alot of the times. But hitting crocs without getting the opposite hand on the mat is tough, at that point I would toss or swim to spider web and finish there. I usually only try to finish the arm bar if I was able to get to New York first. Basically east coast crocs and invisible crocs are the only crocs I would finish from the guard, the regular croc I would finish in spider web. Although arm crushes are dope from guard :-) Confusing?? Did I lose y'all?

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Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo

Starting the whole path from in invisible crackhead is huge especially since zombies from mission control fail alot of the times. But hitting crocs without getting the opposite hand on the mat is tough, at that point I would toss or swim to spider web and finish there. I usually only try to finish the arm bar if I was able to get to New York first. Basically east coast crocs and invisible crocs are the only crocs I would finish from the guard, the regular croc I would finish in spider web. Although arm crushes are dope from guard :-) Confusing?? Did I lose y'all?

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I follow ya and totally agree. the only thing I do differently is get the triangle locked in from invisible crackhead. but once I do that I still zombie. it would be the same thing as getting the triangle lock from invisible collar which I do all the time too. but not everybody can do that so that is why muddy waters is so effective. but we really should figure out an official name for having the triangle with both arms in so we don't always have to say "triangle with both arms in" it would just make life easier :)

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I follow ya and totally agree. the only thing I do differently is get the triangle locked in from invisible crackhead. but once I do that I still zombie. it would be the same thing as getting the triangle lock from invisible collar which I do all the time too. but not everybody can do that so that is why muddy waters is so effective. but we really should figure out an official name for having the triangle with both arms in so we don't always have to say "triangle with both arms in" it would just make life easier :)

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The Orchard.

I'm a creative genius :)

its the baby alligator is what i thought it was called

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its the baby alligator is what i thought it was called

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that is just one of the many finishes from that position. but the actual position needs the name. so like there is a baby croc off of the ___________. fill in the blank. besides that is just what one guy called it. It still need Eddies stamp on it.

eddie told shinya if he gets the double arm triangle, its game over, so maybe something like that

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The Orchard.

I'm a creative genius :)

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Mind blown :)

"Game over" isn't bad, sounds cool. I still like "muck" or something following the muddy waters theme. Ultimately, whatever Eddie decides to call it..

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"Game over" isn't bad, sounds cool. I still like "muck" or something following the muddy waters theme. Ultimately, whatever Eddie decides to call it..

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yeah I don't really care what its called. it just needs an official name so I can move on with life. :) I am in this position almost daily so a name to go with it would be nice.